so many miracles in the Koran are explained just like that one in youtube… it is so sad, the most pathetic attempts to twist the words until the brittle into becoming some obscure semi-allegory for todays Science…
and as usual, they never realised that was the meaning, until science did…
you would think that they would had used some of the ‘advanced’ knowledge of science in the book, 1600 years ago, before science discovered it by testing and hard work… somehow it is always the other way around,
Science discovers, then the Koran pathetically tries to take credit for it…
Technically the Bible didn’t was so poor at its attempt to estimate pi. I read some time ago that, in fact, the number was written using some kind of numerology and its value was 3’1415 or so. It lacks precision anyway, but it’s a much better estimation.
http://www.khouse.org/articles/1998/158/ if you are interested (google search, not my own site). However, this is not that impressive for two reasons. The first is that if modern day scholars squint at any gematria for long enough, they can find some mix of numbers and words to suit their case. The second is that pi isnt some secret only revealed by modern science. The ratio, and some methods of calculation have been around since fairly ancient times.
From Wikipedia’s history of pi
“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_%CF%80”
*The Egyptian scribe Ahmes wrote the oldest known text to give an approximate value for À, citing a Middle Kingdom papyrus, corresponding to a value of 256/81 or 3.160.
*As early as the 19th century BC, Babylonian mathematicians were using À = 25/8, which is within 0.53% of the exact value.
*An early indirect mention of À is in the Bible, 1 Kings 7:23. The large bowl outside the temple in Jerusalem was measured with a circumference of 30 cubits and a diameter of 10, giving a crude estimate of 3 for À. Scholars estimate 1 Kings was written between 971-852 B.C.
*And so on into today’s more sophistocated formulas.
I think the larger tragedy is that the middle east used to be a hotspot of mathematics and logic until “something” changed plunging the whole region into the dark ages much of that region currently enjoys.
A correct reading of the Qur’an shows that the verse talking about the ‘gushing fluid’ is not verse 86:7, but the verse before it. The subject of each verse is ‘man.’ 86:6 addresses an early origin of man, from a gushing fluid, usually taken to mean seminal fluid. 86:7 then follows by addressing a later stage of development of man, when he is in his mother’s womb and is born. Man (not sperm) comes out from between the backbone and the ribs, a rough description of where the uterus is, of his mother.
As Tie said before, it’s weird how all the amazing details from the holy texts are only useful AFTER science discovers something.
None of these awesome divine revelations from omniscient omnipotent creator gods have led to the creation of anything science or math hasn’t figure out first.
Also, I find it bizarre (and have told a muslim guy this) that sciencey things such as small stuff becoming bigger stuff (like seeds, semen, etc.) and what a fetus looks like (bubble gum?!) was only figured out after thousands of years of human civilization, agriculture, and home births, thanks to a god revealing these facts a dozen-odd hundred years ago to a select group of middle eastern folks. Like, NONE of this was known before?
I’m still eagerly awaiting the revelation from any K’ranic or biblical verse that will give us the multi-YottaByte crystal data store, the infinite band-width, infinite speed CPU and “power too cheap to meter”.
Giving us a panacea, the elixir of immortality and the ability to fly, even if it is only on horses, would also be nice.
Science Fiction has inspired us to develop much of our modern tech, what have the holy books done for us?
Apart from teach us not to wash our ear with our left foot on pain of death?
I’d prefer dragons but if the magic super-daddies can’t manage them, horses will do.
Fenchurch, it’s quite amazing that the holy books got mountains, clouds, foetuses and four-legged insects spot on but not one of them ever mentioned something so simple as the Mandelbrot or Juia sets.
You’d think a deity that wanted us to know how freaking amazing it is would at least have drawn a couple of examples on those tablets.
Or at least have told us about Pluto, Eris and Titan’s lakes.
Hell, even astrology had Pluto, albeit only after 1929.
But you are a little unfair about the seed thing. The holy books do mention seeds rather a lot. They even mention sowing and reaping and stuff so their holy authors obviously at least met a farmer.
So, how are you? Still happy?
This must be what a conversation with an inhabitant of Proxima’s worlds would seem like.
->Brian Value of Pi in the 19th century BC? We’ve only had agriculture for about 12000 years. I think you meant 1900 BC which would be about 2000 years after the creation according to Usher et al..
@Walter
I think that the 19th century BC that Brian mentioned, is about the same as 1900 BC. You’re thinking about millenia probably. Brian’s statement was entirely correct.
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If only they actually admitted it like that…
Just like the Bible recorded pi centuries early by taking a stab at 3 😀
so many miracles in the Koran are explained just like that one in youtube… it is so sad, the most pathetic attempts to twist the words until the brittle into becoming some obscure semi-allegory for todays Science…
and as usual, they never realised that was the meaning, until science did…
you would think that they would had used some of the ‘advanced’ knowledge of science in the book, 1600 years ago, before science discovered it by testing and hard work… somehow it is always the other way around,
Science discovers, then the Koran pathetically tries to take credit for it…
miracle!
Technically the Bible didn’t was so poor at its attempt to estimate pi. I read some time ago that, in fact, the number was written using some kind of numerology and its value was 3’1415 or so. It lacks precision anyway, but it’s a much better estimation.
http://www.khouse.org/articles/1998/158/ if you are interested (google search, not my own site). However, this is not that impressive for two reasons. The first is that if modern day scholars squint at any gematria for long enough, they can find some mix of numbers and words to suit their case. The second is that pi isnt some secret only revealed by modern science. The ratio, and some methods of calculation have been around since fairly ancient times.
From Wikipedia’s history of pi
“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_%CF%80”
*The Egyptian scribe Ahmes wrote the oldest known text to give an approximate value for À, citing a Middle Kingdom papyrus, corresponding to a value of 256/81 or 3.160.
*As early as the 19th century BC, Babylonian mathematicians were using À = 25/8, which is within 0.53% of the exact value.
*An early indirect mention of À is in the Bible, 1 Kings 7:23. The large bowl outside the temple in Jerusalem was measured with a circumference of 30 cubits and a diameter of 10, giving a crude estimate of 3 for À. Scholars estimate 1 Kings was written between 971-852 B.C.
*And so on into today’s more sophistocated formulas.
I think the larger tragedy is that the middle east used to be a hotspot of mathematics and logic until “something” changed plunging the whole region into the dark ages much of that region currently enjoys.
A correct reading of the Qur’an shows that the verse talking about the ‘gushing fluid’ is not verse 86:7, but the verse before it. The subject of each verse is ‘man.’ 86:6 addresses an early origin of man, from a gushing fluid, usually taken to mean seminal fluid. 86:7 then follows by addressing a later stage of development of man, when he is in his mother’s womb and is born. Man (not sperm) comes out from between the backbone and the ribs, a rough description of where the uterus is, of his mother.
“Man (not sperm) comes out from between the backbone and the ribs, a rough description of where the uterus is, of his mother.”
Rough description? It’s not even, by any stretch of the imagination, a rough description. It’s utterly inaccurate  completely laughable.
lol camel trader
As Tie said before, it’s weird how all the amazing details from the holy texts are only useful AFTER science discovers something.
None of these awesome divine revelations from omniscient omnipotent creator gods have led to the creation of anything science or math hasn’t figure out first.
Also, I find it bizarre (and have told a muslim guy this) that sciencey things such as small stuff becoming bigger stuff (like seeds, semen, etc.) and what a fetus looks like (bubble gum?!) was only figured out after thousands of years of human civilization, agriculture, and home births, thanks to a god revealing these facts a dozen-odd hundred years ago to a select group of middle eastern folks. Like, NONE of this was known before?
I’m still eagerly awaiting the revelation from any K’ranic or biblical verse that will give us the multi-YottaByte crystal data store, the infinite band-width, infinite speed CPU and “power too cheap to meter”.
Giving us a panacea, the elixir of immortality and the ability to fly, even if it is only on horses, would also be nice.
Science Fiction has inspired us to develop much of our modern tech, what have the holy books done for us?
Apart from teach us not to wash our ear with our left foot on pain of death?
I’d prefer dragons but if the magic super-daddies can’t manage them, horses will do.
Fenchurch, it’s quite amazing that the holy books got mountains, clouds, foetuses and four-legged insects spot on but not one of them ever mentioned something so simple as the Mandelbrot or Juia sets.
You’d think a deity that wanted us to know how freaking amazing it is would at least have drawn a couple of examples on those tablets.
Or at least have told us about Pluto, Eris and Titan’s lakes.
Hell, even astrology had Pluto, albeit only after 1929.
But you are a little unfair about the seed thing. The holy books do mention seeds rather a lot. They even mention sowing and reaping and stuff so their holy authors obviously at least met a farmer.
So, how are you? Still happy?
This must be what a conversation with an inhabitant of Proxima’s worlds would seem like.
->Brian Value of Pi in the 19th century BC? We’ve only had agriculture for about 12000 years. I think you meant 1900 BC which would be about 2000 years after the creation according to Usher et al..
@Walter
I think that the 19th century BC that Brian mentioned, is about the same as 1900 BC. You’re thinking about millenia probably. Brian’s statement was entirely correct.