Torah
September 21st, 2016
And so on.
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And don’t get me started on the Stone Age rock-worshippers.
People in glass houses đ
Gilgamesh, Shmilgamesh.
This one’s great. đ
“pencil sketch”
heh
There’s a bunch of single cell lifeforms that claim they have a patent…..
And every time I think I have an original thought, I find out that Mark Twain said it first. Well, either him or Frank Zappa.
Good one, Author.
Given humans evolved into a form capable of coherent thought at a finite time in the past , it follows that there has to be an originator [or first group] of these ‘god’ based fairy tales. Although given copyright lapses after a set number of years- were any of these plagiarisms within that time frame?
As for cultural appropriation – there cant be many cultures that did not do so at some point or other in history.
What is interesting here, in Moses comment to Jesus, is, that Jesus assumes the identity of being âChristianâ when he was, instead, a Jew (if he wasnât a creation of Caesar – as two recent books have postulated, after the fact, to give Jews their âMessiah – but instead of the warrior that was preached by the Messianic, Caesar, et.al., created the âman of peace & sacrificeâ – in order to push the control agenda, ârender unto CaesarâŚâ and generate a more cooperative âJewâ with the Messiah having been fulfilled as per prophesy.
Note⌠I am truly a neophyte in this arena. The mere reference to Canaanites diverted an hour of my day âunto!â Wiki & and a âworld historyâ site to refresh what little I did know and add to the 99.9% which was open space for what I didnât know.
I have to admit – starting a Fertility Cult sounds ideal to me, as long as there was no child support! (or I could get a vasectomy first!). The âsemen as rainâ for the Gods has so much potential for the cult leader! Especially for a âReligious Website with $40/month subscription feesâ as long as there was a âcompetitive beauty standardâ involved & instilled to recruit women! (The Prophet needs blonde, brunettes & fire red headed beauties⌠to prevent “Coolidge Syndrome!”)
LOL!
I love the “without permission” part. I’m still waiting to be told who grants that permission and under what authority.
BRAVO!!!!!
Author, I am going to give you a standing ovation for this as soon as I hit the submit button.
BRAVO Author! BRAVO!!!!!
This site does a superb analysis of ancient Jewish religion: https://sites.google.com/site/yahwehelohiym/home
It explains that Judaism was really a subset of Sumerian/Mesopotamian religion, and that the Old Testament contains many Sumerian gods. When you read the Dead Sea Scrolls it becomes obvious that Abraham worshiped El and not Yahweh. Monotheism was created when the other Sumerian gods were called “Lord” or “Almighty” so that the reader thought that the text referred to Yahweh. The Old Testament also contains many Sumerian myths (including the Creation and the Flood). The site also explains the origins of the “angels” (they are demoted versions of the gods of Sumeria).
The only thing the religionists won’t culturally appropriate is reason.
Maybe Zoroaster should make an appearance…
Although my favourite bit of the history of the Abrahamic religions is where the days of the week derive from the old Sumerian pantheon. A day for the god of the sun (Sunday), then for the god of the moon (Monday), then for a god of war (Tuor’s Day), then a god of wisdom (Woden’s day), then a god of strength (Thor’s day), then a god of fertility (Freia’s day), then a god of spite and woe (Saturn’s day). And you do no wkrk that day, for anything you do on that seventh day will turn to tears.
Judaism just changed the reason for the one day off, and Christianity and Islam then both moved the day.
Ivan Fang, what’s the skinny on these two recent books regarding Jesus being “the creation of Ceasar”? I had a pamphlet, long since lost, from a Jewish organization regarding the same topic: Jesus was the creation of one of the royal families of Rome.
Kevin there are lots of reasons to suspect that Jesus was not a real person. The early Christian texts like the writings of Theophilus never mention a Jesus, just the Christ of the Gnostics. In time people started associating stories with this Christ, and Jesus (“Son of the Father”) was born. The Passion seems to be a Greek tragedy written in Rome – hence the idea of a conspiracy.
The days of the week are named after the 7 moving objects in the sky that were visible to the ancients. That would be the sun, moon and 5 bright planets. So we have a Sunday (“Solis Dies” or “Sol god”). The word “dies” (day) means “god” or “from the gods”.
For information on the origins of the Passion read this: http://www.nazarenus.com/0-4-tragospel.htm
So basically, there’s nothing new under the sun… Bruce Gray, smack on the button.
Oh, and my RE teacher at school was Miss Theophilus. You can imagine the reaction when we got to the ‘Know, O Theophilus’ bit in Luke… đ
From a meme’s point of view, intellectual property is enslavement, and piracy is liberation.
further proof there is no ‘god’ [because if there was copies would not vary]
If someone had a completely original idea, how could they tell anyone? Given that words and images are codified bits of thought the most original ideas have to be expressed as old thoughts slightly rearranged. I think that’s true even in the mind of the original thinker. I know I have struggled with some amorphous notion until it crystallized into words.
Given there are only seven basic varieties of story, it follows that religious texts and other forms of fairy tales/fantasy novels are going to follow the same typological set. The quran cannot be said to copy the bible, because whereas the bible contains some parts which have a plot, characterisation and other elements of story telling, the quran in contrast is just the insane ramblings of a seriously disturbed mind. Recited from a garbled memory of what the bible contains, with an added spurious aura of modern science thrown in via the latest medical research by Galen.
A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing? (As Shakespeare probably [brilliantly] rephrased some early persons words)
Well,
according tp PS there are only 7 basic stories.
I was told that as well, but, with the annotation, that 6 of those cannot be told in civilised company.
Have to ask about Plainsuch’s pic – is that the esoteric symbol of Saturn? or symbolic of the Xian faith rising briefly before commencing a downward spiral.
The meaning of a symbol is in the eye of the beholder, ask any Art of English Major.
Seriously it’s Saturn. I read that in the system that the symbols come from the Plus represented reality and the Circle or semi-circle was spiritual or ideas. Hence Venus reads “spiritual over reality”, Mars is “aggression over thought” and Saturn is “reality over ideas”. I liked the latter so there it is.
Google just told me that esoterically it can mean El, King of Gods to the Sumerians. Heh! Feel free to make of it what you will. Does your avatar have anything to do with The Cult of the Invisible Pink Unicorn?
1 the meaning of a symbol is in the inscriber not the beholder- archaeology would be much easier if the meaning lay with the observer
2] ah so you can see the unicorn in my avatar image -then you must be a true follower of the IPU
Re LindaR
That reminds me of my good friend Theophilus Punofall.