The phrase “abusive form of control” made me think. Is there any form of control that isn’t abusive? I mean, isn’t control of others abusive ab initio?
I’m not against it. A society needs a certain amount of control in order to run non-chaotically, or people would often do whatever they wanted even if it harmed others. But in the end, doesn’t all control come down to either mental or physical abuse?
M27, those Cadbury Creme Eggs, we get them here too every Easter. My wife and I eat two each every year, get disgusted, and then we’re done for the year.
I prefer the custom at the Jewish holiday Purim, where you can get a bit tipsy, so tipsy (they say) that you can’t tell the difference between the good guy (Mordecai) and the bad guy (Haman). A few years ago, my wife said, “Purim? Pour ’em!” 🙂
At Easter I will be doing what I usually do, DIY projects. I will be building a roof above the shed and right alongside my house to store logs for my new log burner that is being installed in 5 weeks…
Mmmmh I thought you were going to mention the Iraq war anniversary somehow. You know, the one that the enlightened skeptic, rationalist and humanist Christopher Hitchens advocated for until the bitter end.
I don’t think control is necessarily abusive. A lot is – but good parents exert what can be thought of as ‘control’ over their children to keep them safe and healthy, e.g. by encouraging them to eat a nutritious diet, not to go to dangerous places, wear warm clothes in cold weather etc. Control – but not abusive in these contexts.
Dunno about Mo but face it, it’s not much of a threat from Jesus. He’ll be up and about three days after he suicides. Remember: died Friday afternoon, rose again on Sunday. “Jesus gave up his WHOLE WEEKEND for you!!”
^ aye. But that is the point. Religions depend on parents/schools/preachers being able to use the evolutionary tools that protect children from being eaten by crocodiles to tell their self serving and pernicious lies as if they were true..put me in power, first thing I would do is ban religious schools , and prosecute parents who try to fill their childrens heads with nonsense…prosecute? No I’d nail some sense into them…
Hmm. Nobody seems to have taken this up, but I thought it was pretty obvious that the cartoon was referring to emotional blackmail by trans activists, who demand that we reorder society to their liking or else transgender people will kill themselves. (Or maybe they won’t…).
Thanks, I was a little mystified by this week’s, and Easter didn’t really fit. But that does, and as an old guy with no real interest in the gender fuss I’d have never guessed.
While I’m at it, also stumped by the Iraq war / Hitchens comment. Hitchens is dead, so we can be pretty sure Author is not Hitchens; the Iraq war was for a Middle East event relatively unrelated to religion. Not seeing any relevance here.
Hitchens was deeply affected by visiting the villages full of the bloated bodies of the Kurds who were gassed by Saddam. I think I might have found it equally as difficult to hold a ‘balanced’ view after that.
I can’t understand anything about Mo suggesting he would harm/kill himself ?
His normal threat was to kill / hurt / rape others.
It was Jesus who went in for self sacrifice however it was very easy to die in the Roman Empire. Staying alive was much harder.
I’m with Hitchens on this one. I will always side with such a powerful intellect over the lilly-livered pro-religionists who are positioining themselves with self-satisfied after the event hindsight like the fookers who think that Nostradamus predictions were right….yeah mamma…
It is likely true that leaving Saddam Hussein in power would have been worse than removing him.
But many American liberals, in retrospect, didn’t like that we were lied to about the presence of “weapons of mass destruction” in Iraq. It turned out this was just Saddam lying to discourage an invasion by Iran.
The entire middle east is a stupid, horrible mess. Even Israel has gone stupid right wing, except for the protestors trying to prevent Netanyahu from protecting himself by weakening the judiciary.
Russia is also a stupid horrible mess, and they’ve turned Ukraine into a worse mess. Channeling my mother’s Yiddish curses: may Putin get what he deserves. May that stinking cholera lie in the earth. (That last sentence is a direct transition from Yiddish. Thanks, Mom. 🙂 )
I’m fed up with Trump and his stupid followers too, and the racist fools that have taken over the American Republican Party.
I’m fed up with the state of the world. I’m retiring on April 6, at which point I’m becoming, officially, a grumpy old man. Luckily, there’s whiskey and whisky. I’m into the Canadian whisky right now.
That won’t help much if there’s a nuclear war. Then we can all fry together.
It probably would have been worse for the Iraqis, but very likely better for Americans. Isn’t a government’s first priority supposed to be what’s best for its own people, not what’s best for the people of other countries?
I won’t get my state pension till I’m 67, so 9 years this may. Mind you I have a very healthy private pension pot, but while I can command high day rates and can work anywhere in the world from my home office desk I will keep the keyboard hot….Laripu, you are a fully paid up member of the grumpy old men club, be you have been for thirty years, takes one to know one..haha
jb, I had to immediately think of trans activists, too.
Apart from the fact that suicide threats are emotional blackmail, I find it especially horrendous that they basically tell children that they should kill themselves. Young preteens and teens are very impressionable, and telling them that if they are TRUE trans, they will totally kill themselves if their parents aren’t 100% onboard with chemically and surgically castrating them, is … well, I’d almost call it murder.
The novel “Die Leiden des jungen Werther” reportedly caused a suicide wave among young men who were unlucky in love, and that was just because a protagonist they identified with committed suicide – the author had never intended that it be read as instruction manual, and likely never opined that “men who are in love with a woman who is married to another man are guaranteed to kill themselves”, either – he was in love with a married woman himself and did NOT kill himself, but eventually got over it.
Mentioning suicide as a “solution” to a certain kind of problem leads to more suicides.
Some newspapers even refrain from reporting on suicides for exactly this reason.
If trans activists actually cared about children, they would never talk of suicide.
That said, when adult men have temper tantrums and claim they will kill themselves if they do not get to invade women’s spaces, I am inclined to tell them to go ahead and do it – they’re most likely bluffing.
They consider it a horrible injustice when a country demands that they cut their dicks off before entering women’s spaces, so I am confident that they love their lives at least as much as they love their dicks.
(Curious, isn’t it, that children allegedly will commit suicide if not castrated, while adult men who claim to be women mostly keep their penises and if they do commit suicide often do it AFTER getting castrated?)
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Nice one Mo/Author 🙂
Wow, I can’t even imagine who Author might be talking about here…
That’s how my dad controlled my Mother and me.
Is it Easter already?
It gets earlier or later every year.
Esprit de l’escalier. Sorry.
Kill yourself! – go ahead, make my day
Not fondant of creme eggs…eggstremely sickly…
The phrase “abusive form of control” made me think. Is there any form of control that isn’t abusive? I mean, isn’t control of others abusive ab initio?
I’m not against it. A society needs a certain amount of control in order to run non-chaotically, or people would often do whatever they wanted even if it harmed others. But in the end, doesn’t all control come down to either mental or physical abuse?
M27, those Cadbury Creme Eggs, we get them here too every Easter. My wife and I eat two each every year, get disgusted, and then we’re done for the year.
I prefer the custom at the Jewish holiday Purim, where you can get a bit tipsy, so tipsy (they say) that you can’t tell the difference between the good guy (Mordecai) and the bad guy (Haman). A few years ago, my wife said, “Purim? Pour ’em!” 🙂
At Easter I will be doing what I usually do, DIY projects. I will be building a roof above the shed and right alongside my house to store logs for my new log burner that is being installed in 5 weeks…
Mmmmh I thought you were going to mention the Iraq war anniversary somehow. You know, the one that the enlightened skeptic, rationalist and humanist Christopher Hitchens advocated for until the bitter end.
I don’t think control is necessarily abusive. A lot is – but good parents exert what can be thought of as ‘control’ over their children to keep them safe and healthy, e.g. by encouraging them to eat a nutritious diet, not to go to dangerous places, wear warm clothes in cold weather etc. Control – but not abusive in these contexts.
Dunno about Mo but face it, it’s not much of a threat from Jesus. He’ll be up and about three days after he suicides. Remember: died Friday afternoon, rose again on Sunday. “Jesus gave up his WHOLE WEEKEND for you!!”
^ aye. But that is the point. Religions depend on parents/schools/preachers being able to use the evolutionary tools that protect children from being eaten by crocodiles to tell their self serving and pernicious lies as if they were true..put me in power, first thing I would do is ban religious schools , and prosecute parents who try to fill their childrens heads with nonsense…prosecute? No I’d nail some sense into them…
Hmm. Nobody seems to have taken this up, but I thought it was pretty obvious that the cartoon was referring to emotional blackmail by trans activists, who demand that we reorder society to their liking or else transgender people will kill themselves. (Or maybe they won’t…).
Well they aint going to like athletics correct decision then are they…
Thanks, I was a little mystified by this week’s, and Easter didn’t really fit. But that does, and as an old guy with no real interest in the gender fuss I’d have never guessed.
Yes another storm in a c-cup….
While I’m at it, also stumped by the Iraq war / Hitchens comment. Hitchens is dead, so we can be pretty sure Author is not Hitchens; the Iraq war was for a Middle East event relatively unrelated to religion. Not seeing any relevance here.
Hitchens was deeply affected by visiting the villages full of the bloated bodies of the Kurds who were gassed by Saddam. I think I might have found it equally as difficult to hold a ‘balanced’ view after that.
As long as people are discussing the US-Irag war, I should link to this piece, saying it might have been much less bad than leaving Saddam in power.
https://onlysky.media/dsharp/did-it-work-iraq-20-years-after-the-us-invasion/
I can’t understand anything about Mo suggesting he would harm/kill himself ?
His normal threat was to kill / hurt / rape others.
It was Jesus who went in for self sacrifice however it was very easy to die in the Roman Empire. Staying alive was much harder.
I’m with Hitchens on this one. I will always side with such a powerful intellect over the lilly-livered pro-religionists who are positioining themselves with self-satisfied after the event hindsight like the fookers who think that Nostradamus predictions were right….yeah mamma…
It is likely true that leaving Saddam Hussein in power would have been worse than removing him.
But many American liberals, in retrospect, didn’t like that we were lied to about the presence of “weapons of mass destruction” in Iraq. It turned out this was just Saddam lying to discourage an invasion by Iran.
The entire middle east is a stupid, horrible mess. Even Israel has gone stupid right wing, except for the protestors trying to prevent Netanyahu from protecting himself by weakening the judiciary.
Russia is also a stupid horrible mess, and they’ve turned Ukraine into a worse mess. Channeling my mother’s Yiddish curses: may Putin get what he deserves. May that stinking cholera lie in the earth. (That last sentence is a direct transition from Yiddish. Thanks, Mom. 🙂 )
I’m fed up with Trump and his stupid followers too, and the racist fools that have taken over the American Republican Party.
I’m fed up with the state of the world. I’m retiring on April 6, at which point I’m becoming, officially, a grumpy old man. Luckily, there’s whiskey and whisky. I’m into the Canadian whisky right now.
That won’t help much if there’s a nuclear war. Then we can all fry together.
It probably would have been worse for the Iraqis, but very likely better for Americans. Isn’t a government’s first priority supposed to be what’s best for its own people, not what’s best for the people of other countries?
I won’t get my state pension till I’m 67, so 9 years this may. Mind you I have a very healthy private pension pot, but while I can command high day rates and can work anywhere in the world from my home office desk I will keep the keyboard hot….Laripu, you are a fully paid up member of the grumpy old men club, be you have been for thirty years, takes one to know one..haha
SOG is another fully subbed up member of the CGOMC…
Interesting to note that SOG’s homeland is now in the control of one of Mo’s boys.
Choirboy: At least the “Wee Free” wifie from the Hebrides did not win the leadership vote. (Although she came close.)
Please note: As I am not a member of the SNP, I did not have a vote in that election. So whatever happens “IT’S NOT MY FAULT”!
jb, I had to immediately think of trans activists, too.
Apart from the fact that suicide threats are emotional blackmail, I find it especially horrendous that they basically tell children that they should kill themselves. Young preteens and teens are very impressionable, and telling them that if they are TRUE trans, they will totally kill themselves if their parents aren’t 100% onboard with chemically and surgically castrating them, is … well, I’d almost call it murder.
The novel “Die Leiden des jungen Werther” reportedly caused a suicide wave among young men who were unlucky in love, and that was just because a protagonist they identified with committed suicide – the author had never intended that it be read as instruction manual, and likely never opined that “men who are in love with a woman who is married to another man are guaranteed to kill themselves”, either – he was in love with a married woman himself and did NOT kill himself, but eventually got over it.
Mentioning suicide as a “solution” to a certain kind of problem leads to more suicides.
Some newspapers even refrain from reporting on suicides for exactly this reason.
If trans activists actually cared about children, they would never talk of suicide.
That said, when adult men have temper tantrums and claim they will kill themselves if they do not get to invade women’s spaces, I am inclined to tell them to go ahead and do it – they’re most likely bluffing.
They consider it a horrible injustice when a country demands that they cut their dicks off before entering women’s spaces, so I am confident that they love their lives at least as much as they love their dicks.
(Curious, isn’t it, that children allegedly will commit suicide if not castrated, while adult men who claim to be women mostly keep their penises and if they do commit suicide often do it AFTER getting castrated?)