True story. I once watched one of those TV shows that involved talking heads telling celebrities interesting things about their ancestors. During the credits at the end of one show there were voice-over extracts from next week’s show, which included one of the heads saying something quite dark about the background of next week’s guest. But when I watched next week’s show it turned out the head in question never spoke the sentence I’d heard the week before. Instead, parts of two separate sentences had been spliced together for the voice-over!
The manufactured quote wasn’t completely misleading, but it was far more dramatic than the words actually spoken on the show. The splicing was done very professionally, to the point where the voice-over sounded entirely natural, and if I hadn’t recorded both shows and spent time comparing them I would never have noticed what had been done. I suspect this is a common practice.
A well made TV documentary, “What Does The Koran Actually Say?” would be an excellent idea. There is probably no chance of it ever being made or shown.
“The universal illiteracy” is a very important point. And in fact, it applies to the spread of early Christianity as well. The first Jewish writers who produced the first gospels and various letters could not even read the ancient Hebrew texts and borrowed their knowledge from the Greek translation done in Alexandria. Then the Christian popularizers and missionaries started quoting texts that nobody in the audience could read, and kept the few manuscripts in monasteries, totally inaccessible to anybody. To the point, as St Jerome remarked in a famous letter to his nephew, the Christian priest was at full liberty to preach whatever he liked, and should never underestimate the immense ignorance of the congregation. The bishops of Rome and Milan used the same technique with the naive Roman emperors, and got emperors Constantine and Theodosius to ban any trace of ancient Greek knowledge, by closing the Greek schools and temples, destroying the libraries and the Greek books, and banning the Olympic Games. Universal illiteracy was the background that allowed early Christianity to become the only game in town. And shortly later the spread of Islam as well.
“The universal illiteracy” is a very important point. And in fact, it applies to the spread of early Christianity as well. Universal illiteracy was the background that allowed early Christianity to become the only game in town in the West. And shortly later the spread of Islam in the Middle East as well.
Roo BOOKAROO: Thanks for giving us the full story and following it up with the “Readers’ Digest” condensed version, for those of us who can’t cope with long stories and big words.
Peter, Dieu was the French for God and that was God’s name too; and when anyone prayed to God and said Dieu then God knew at once knew that it was a French person that was praying. – James Joyce, A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man
I see everybody in the scientific community (or the few I follow on twitter) are getting their knickers (panties for you over-ponders) in a twist – New Zealand science classes to start preaching woo as equivalence to bona fide science? Fucking lunatics…
This certainly does seem like something worth protesting. Teaching Maori mythology as equivalent to science is obviously no different than teaching any creation myth as equivalent to science: it is not only wrong, it is motivated by politics at the expense of the very people who are being pandered to. A base motivation.
Whether panties or knickers, it’s worth protesting. And an undergarment, by any other name would smell as… oh, never mind. 🙂
People don’t like to learn anything difficult. They just want their preconceptions, prejudices, and false pride painted with the patina of knowledge.
I used to be a math teacher before I became a software engineer. This struck me as funny:
Re – “A well made TV documentary, “What Does The Koran Actually Say?” would be an excellent idea. There is probably no chance of it ever being made or shown.”
If you check Aron Ra he is going through the koran chapter by chapter -though the U tube videos are possibly not well known enough to make a significant impact on mainstream media
Succubus of Satan: The Aron Ra review of the Koran demonstrates what a terrible idea this would be, and though I applaud his persistence in getting through it, what the Koran actually says are the same things over and over ad nauseam, divided between how merciful and wise Allah is, how noble and reliable Mohammed was, and all the numerous, implacably brutal punishments that await anyone who doubts this. Entertaining it is not.
at heaven’s gate the celestial doorman
was charged with admitting postmortem mormons.
we’re you a catholic, muslim or jew?
if so, the mormons must unbaptize you.
Hotrats; I am extremely doubtful if the tatty old book of fairy tales was written to be ‘entertaining’ merely obeyed – a book with very similar content was written around 1923 – which is just as entertaining
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Aye. Nail Hit head on barmaid…
Ah but did she read it in the original Arabic? We’re assured that the beauty is ineffable.
Spot on. As a friend of mine said on reading it “Drivel, from start to finish”
Typical of the selective quoting used so often in movie posters
Perfect!
That selective quoting reminded me of this bit on “Frazier”:
https://youtu.be/CXSjsf9SsGQ
True story. I once watched one of those TV shows that involved talking heads telling celebrities interesting things about their ancestors. During the credits at the end of one show there were voice-over extracts from next week’s show, which included one of the heads saying something quite dark about the background of next week’s guest. But when I watched next week’s show it turned out the head in question never spoke the sentence I’d heard the week before. Instead, parts of two separate sentences had been spliced together for the voice-over!
The manufactured quote wasn’t completely misleading, but it was far more dramatic than the words actually spoken on the show. The splicing was done very professionally, to the point where the voice-over sounded entirely natural, and if I hadn’t recorded both shows and spent time comparing them I would never have noticed what had been done. I suspect this is a common practice.
Ophelia – Yes. It’s a triumph of style over substance. Crap, but mellifluous crap.
A well made TV documentary, “What Does The Koran Actually Say?” would be an excellent idea. There is probably no chance of it ever being made or shown.
“The universal illiteracy” is a very important point. And in fact, it applies to the spread of early Christianity as well. The first Jewish writers who produced the first gospels and various letters could not even read the ancient Hebrew texts and borrowed their knowledge from the Greek translation done in Alexandria. Then the Christian popularizers and missionaries started quoting texts that nobody in the audience could read, and kept the few manuscripts in monasteries, totally inaccessible to anybody. To the point, as St Jerome remarked in a famous letter to his nephew, the Christian priest was at full liberty to preach whatever he liked, and should never underestimate the immense ignorance of the congregation. The bishops of Rome and Milan used the same technique with the naive Roman emperors, and got emperors Constantine and Theodosius to ban any trace of ancient Greek knowledge, by closing the Greek schools and temples, destroying the libraries and the Greek books, and banning the Olympic Games. Universal illiteracy was the background that allowed early Christianity to become the only game in town. And shortly later the spread of Islam as well.
“The universal illiteracy” is a very important point. And in fact, it applies to the spread of early Christianity as well. Universal illiteracy was the background that allowed early Christianity to become the only game in town in the West. And shortly later the spread of Islam in the Middle East as well.
Somewhat related to the Dec 22 comic them/they:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/14/us/pastor-invalid-baptisms-resignation/
Roo BOOKAROO: Thanks for giving us the full story and following it up with the “Readers’ Digest” condensed version, for those of us who can’t cope with long stories and big words.
Peter, Dieu was the French for God and that was God’s name too; and when anyone prayed to God and said Dieu then God knew at once knew that it was a French person that was praying. – James Joyce, A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man
I see everybody in the scientific community (or the few I follow on twitter) are getting their knickers (panties for you over-ponders) in a twist – New Zealand science classes to start preaching woo as equivalence to bona fide science? Fucking lunatics…
M27Holts, I assume you’re talking about this: https://www.newsweek.com/college-professors-met-backlash-writing-that-mori-knowledge-isnt-science-1613924
This certainly does seem like something worth protesting. Teaching Maori mythology as equivalent to science is obviously no different than teaching any creation myth as equivalent to science: it is not only wrong, it is motivated by politics at the expense of the very people who are being pandered to. A base motivation.
Whether panties or knickers, it’s worth protesting. And an undergarment, by any other name would smell as… oh, never mind. 🙂
People don’t like to learn anything difficult. They just want their preconceptions, prejudices, and false pride painted with the patina of knowledge.
I used to be a math teacher before I became a software engineer. This struck me as funny:
https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/why-i-couldn39t-be-a-math-teacher
Excellent cartoon. We had teachers who were excellent at the shortened hitch-slap….even before that was coined…
ultimately the koran is just bible fan fiction
Re – “A well made TV documentary, “What Does The Koran Actually Say?” would be an excellent idea. There is probably no chance of it ever being made or shown.”
If you check Aron Ra he is going through the koran chapter by chapter -though the U tube videos are possibly not well known enough to make a significant impact on mainstream media
Succubus of Satan: The Aron Ra review of the Koran demonstrates what a terrible idea this would be, and though I applaud his persistence in getting through it, what the Koran actually says are the same things over and over ad nauseam, divided between how merciful and wise Allah is, how noble and reliable Mohammed was, and all the numerous, implacably brutal punishments that await anyone who doubts this. Entertaining it is not.
JESUS & MOWER
Divine – Lawn – Contractors.
True path maintenance.
Heavenly hourly rates.
Was that yours? MB? If so bravo, still kudos for finding it, if not…
Peter, more on baptisms gone wrong.
at heaven’s gate the celestial doorman
was charged with admitting postmortem mormons.
we’re you a catholic, muslim or jew?
if so, the mormons must unbaptize you.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/theological-nonsense_b_709505
They can un baptise me all they want post or pre mortem I don’t care…
Hotrats; I am extremely doubtful if the tatty old book of fairy tales was written to be ‘entertaining’ merely obeyed – a book with very similar content was written around 1923 – which is just as entertaining
Presumably “Mein Kampf” ?