Sure. If you faithfully believe the stuff you’ve been told, about a personal god who knows all etc. Anything else is not faith, and without faith there’d be no point in the whole thing. The real joke here is that penal substitution model.
The penal substitution theory teaches that Jesus suffered the penalty due, according to God the Father’s wrath for humanity’s sins. Penal substitution derives from the idea that divine forgiveness must satisfy divine justice, that is, that God is not willing or able to simply forgive sin without first requiring a satisfaction for it. It states that God gave himself in the person of his Son, Jesus, to suffer the death, punishment and curse due to fallen humanity as the penalty for our sin.
A real screwed up notion of justice, and I suppose the concept of justice in the west is somewhat tainted by this.
Three hours on a cross isn’t much in the way of punishment, especially if you are atoning for the sins of the entire human race. Millions of ordinary, feeble mortals — unfortified by the knowledge that they are actually God pretending to be a mortal — have suffered far worse tortures. Could we really get off that cheap?
Jorge Luis Borjes did a better job in Three Versions of Judas: in the final version Judas, not Jesus, is the savior, and he remains in Hell to this day suffering for our sins. Now that’s atonement!
I don’t imagine anyone’s keeping score, Jesus’ suffering was more or less adequate to the task, considering that he was an only son etc. – it’s the thought that counts.
When the lady of the house misbehaves, I often reflect that it’s a shame we have no dog. I could kick the dog, and thereby effect atonement for her offense to some extent. Her guilt over the dog’s suffering would surely serve as a strong motivation to change her ways.
to chunder and spew is what you must do
or barf and hurl or to cowk it is true
the real dynamic – hugging ceramic
is like the prayers of a true islamic
though shooting the cat may be bad it seems
kicking the poor dog is not what redeems
a piss poor fix to a quarrel you had
you fookin ass cockwomble perversion
there is a point in a sonnet that turns
where on it the truth of the matter burns
don’t think of kicking the one who loves you
try sticking it to a soccer ball fool.
he who would kick a dog in any way
had best be a postman i dare to say
Paul, I got a post pulled and warned for being sexist and advocating violence towards women and all I did was suggest a gag which was in my post metaphorical for silencing the witterings of an attractive right wing trump supporter during sex. I was not advocating an actual SnM ball gag or similar…
I was watching appalled by the Morons who think that the USA juidicial system is out to nail the clearly criminal lunatic who is possibly the closest that any American president has come to King’s laughing tiger….
M27, fear not, here is the great American composer, Charles Ives, singing and playing to SMASH any wannabe dictator politician to the wall. Ask Barmaid for the best in the house and listen up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd61_QMlNvY
Postdog. I’m presuming that Ives had just sung and played that after consuming 12 pints in 12 minutes…I can play the piano better than that…whats his point? Or has ot some missing genius that a mere mortal.as myself is not attuned to?
Well, M27, Richard Feynman thought he could play the flight of the bumble bee but was humiliated when he tried. I was laughing out loud to hear Ives bellowing and pounding, and thought it was the perfect accompaniment to our current, brainless political situation. I recommend listening to Ives’ “Unanswered Question”. A much better representation of Ives than his solo performances.
Donn, this is my favorite performance of Fratres, and yes, the piano player is animated, jumping up from the bench (1:16) to deliver the Ao. Many films have used Pärt’s themes to great effect, and like Author’s four panel presentations, minimal, yet profound.
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Sure. If you faithfully believe the stuff you’ve been told, about a personal god who knows all etc. Anything else is not faith, and without faith there’d be no point in the whole thing. The real joke here is that penal substitution model.
A real screwed up notion of justice, and I suppose the concept of justice in the west is somewhat tainted by this.
Three hours on a cross isn’t much in the way of punishment, especially if you are atoning for the sins of the entire human race. Millions of ordinary, feeble mortals — unfortified by the knowledge that they are actually God pretending to be a mortal — have suffered far worse tortures. Could we really get off that cheap?
Jorge Luis Borjes did a better job in Three Versions of Judas: in the final version Judas, not Jesus, is the savior, and he remains in Hell to this day suffering for our sins. Now that’s atonement!
Sorry, Mo, that’s not faith. It’s pride.
It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool. Than open it and remove all doubt…..
I don’t imagine anyone’s keeping score, Jesus’ suffering was more or less adequate to the task, considering that he was an only son etc. – it’s the thought that counts.
When the lady of the house misbehaves, I often reflect that it’s a shame we have no dog. I could kick the dog, and thereby effect atonement for her offense to some extent. Her guilt over the dog’s suffering would surely serve as a strong motivation to change her ways.
Are you advocating Animal cruelty to avoid wife beating? Why has this post not been pulled by the invigilator?
M27Holts – I think Donn is guilty of nothing worse than parody.
to chunder and spew is what you must do
or barf and hurl or to cowk it is true
the real dynamic – hugging ceramic
is like the prayers of a true islamic
though shooting the cat may be bad it seems
kicking the poor dog is not what redeems
a piss poor fix to a quarrel you had
you fookin ass cockwomble perversion
there is a point in a sonnet that turns
where on it the truth of the matter burns
don’t think of kicking the one who loves you
try sticking it to a soccer ball fool.
he who would kick a dog in any way
had best be a postman i dare to say
Paul, I got a post pulled and warned for being sexist and advocating violence towards women and all I did was suggest a gag which was in my post metaphorical for silencing the witterings of an attractive right wing trump supporter during sex. I was not advocating an actual SnM ball gag or similar…
I am Misanthropos and hate mankind.
For thy part, I do wish thou wert a dog,
That I might love thee something. – WS, The Life of Timon of Athens
I was watching appalled by the Morons who think that the USA juidicial system is out to nail the clearly criminal lunatic who is possibly the closest that any American president has come to King’s laughing tiger….
M27, fear not, here is the great American composer, Charles Ives, singing and playing to SMASH any wannabe dictator politician to the wall. Ask Barmaid for the best in the house and listen up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd61_QMlNvY
Postdoggerel, thank you for that delightful WS quote. <3 it.
Postdog has clearly read more olde English than I have….
I thought the smashing performance by Charles Ives was an appropriate response to M27’s complaint on the morons who thought trump’s trial was rigged.
Postdog. I’m presuming that Ives had just sung and played that after consuming 12 pints in 12 minutes…I can play the piano better than that…whats his point? Or has ot some missing genius that a mere mortal.as myself is not attuned to?
Well, M27, Richard Feynman thought he could play the flight of the bumble bee but was humiliated when he tried. I was laughing out loud to hear Ives bellowing and pounding, and thought it was the perfect accompaniment to our current, brainless political situation. I recommend listening to Ives’ “Unanswered Question”. A much better representation of Ives than his solo performances.
Not to hog the comments section here at the Cock & Bull, but here are two pieces of music I would share anywhere… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkaOz48cq2g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiBYUplKx1c
Unanswered questions eh? That group of questions has a finite number ? Thats my first unanswered question….
Thanks for that.
That Wilms+Iakovlev performance of the Pärt piece is great, but you might also have a listen to Daniel Röhn – Fratres, Arvo Pärt (Live at Cadogan Hall). (Mostly listen, unless you don’t mind the piano player’s antics.)
That first piece, I hear the soundtrack from Alien….
Donn, this is my favorite performance of Fratres, and yes, the piano player is animated, jumping up from the bench (1:16) to deliver the Ao. Many films have used Pärt’s themes to great effect, and like Author’s four panel presentations, minimal, yet profound.
Donn, the missing link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRqRgoYppBw
Donn, possibly the best music I have heard for a while….thankyou…
M27holt
Where does the Kings laughing tiger come from?