I dunno, any religion that uses ‘Maltesers Bunny Chocolate Extra Large Easter Egg 265g for only £4.95 !’ as a core part of their marketing offer sure gets my vote.
Something seems to be broken. There doesn’t seem to be a (next>) link from March 3rd (Kudos) to March 10th (Briefly). Going the other way (using the <prev link) is fine, but "there is no way back"!
It all makes sense if you see it as a series of simple ideas to make people behave better, and feel OK about themselves. The idea of severe punishment in the afterlife for all offenders only works if there is an all powerful and all knowing God to enforce it. And the horror of unlimited punishment had to be modified in some way. These were never really designed to be consistent. They got taken too literally by people trying to game the system; and then had to be corrected to keep people obedient.
Author, Paul Seed is correct. Previous comic’s next and last buttons are duffed. source: I refreshed myself and tested through multiple international gateways.
After I went to look at the Missing Link, I found myself in a strange territory where I saw what might be another clue: the plain /comic/ link, one node above /comic/kudos, presents all the comics, most recent first – and at the top is “kudos”, not “briefly”. If “briefly” hasn’t been installed everywhere, that would explain why kudos doesn’t point to it.
I suppose the count’s out of date because it’s “static” content that gets updated occasionally, as opposed to some kind of program that executes when you load the page. Well, perhaps that’s a bit obvious, and the question is, who created this miserable world!? Were we supposed to sacrifice more people? Were the Gnostics right about the malevolent demiurge?
If you take it seriously, though, those simple ideas could cause a lot of trouble. As occasionally they do, but only among the certifiably mentally ill – who thus can be shown to be the only ones who take it seriously.
If I really believed that everyone either believes and receives an eternal reward, or disbelieves and is punished, my best bet would be to raise my children with an eye on their theological soundness, and then somewhere around 10 to 12 when it’s likely that they’ll start doubting, make sure they live not a minute longer. Then I might ought to off myself as well. OK, there are undoubtedly various scriptural gotchas that aim to prevent this “gaming” if that’s what you meant by that, but I think they aren’t necessary for the mentally sound, who are at some level aware that the promise might be empty.
The missing “last” link seems to be missing only on mobile devices, not desktops. And it is only the previous 2 comics (kudos and smug) which are affected. Gah! What a horrible problem to try to get to the bottom of.
Donn:
That loophole is exactly why Armin Navabi attempted suicide shortly before he reached the age at which sins start to count according to the version of Islam he was taught. He tells the story in a few places including one of the first episodes of ‘Secular Jihadists for a Muslim Enlightenment”
Nobody: I live the idea of ‘refreshing myself’…… I guess the closest I get is refreshing my glass……
and apparently the selective advantage for believing in a particular god is one of trust: you can generally trust those who believe in The same god as you more that those who believe in a different god……… promoting group advantage.
Ah, the Trinity: God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. Oh, but the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is not the Father. They are three seperate beings, all of them are God, but they are not each other.
There, that should make things clear.
Here’s how the Trinity works. It’s a voter’s paradox.
Moe says that the Father is different from the Son and the Holy Ghost, who are both the same as God;
Larry says that the Son is different from the Holy Ghost and the Father, who are both the same as God;
Curly says that the Holy Ghost is different from the Father and the Son, who are both the same as God.
Therefore by 2/3 majority rule:
The Father is God, and the Son is not the Holy Ghost;
The Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is not the Father;
The Holy Ghost is God, and the Father is not the Son.
Here’s another voter’s paradox:
Moe prefers chocolate to vanilla to strawberry;
Larry prefers vanilla to strawberry to chocolate;
and Curly prefers strawberry to chocolate to vanilla.
So 2/3 prefer chocolate to vanilla;
2/3 prefer vanilla to strawberry;
2/3 prefer strawberry to chocolate.
A loop: yet they all agree that the ordering is linear!
Yeah. But what is the significance of the integer 3? Why not god rhe father, god the son , god the holy ghost and god the holy death watch beetle? Thus four….
Made up? Oh tell me it ain’t so!
No idea why they went for the threesome. Lack of imagination? Couldn’t count past three?
The big question is, was the supreme deity a Dachshund? There is a concealed code in the Bible that not even Dan Brown spotted. If you write ‘God Jesus’ in reverse you get…SUSEJ DOG!
Since the trinity are distinct persons, it would be interesting to see the holy ghost fly in as the dove (on J&M) and crap on their car (or their heads).
Is there any special healing power in holy ghost/dove shit?
The link below is to a painting of the trinity (from Wikipedia) and it depicts the holy ghost as a dove. The cherubs imbue the painting with a pedophiliac ambience.
I’ve read that 3 has been seen as a number with special significance in almost all times and places. Other numbers may be considered special in specific cultures — e.g., 7 and 12 in the West, or 8 in China — but 3 is universal. So is 2 of course, but one could always ascribe that the the male/female binary. 3 is a bit more mysterious.
Well, three points define a plane, and a circle, so that’s cool.
I don’t know, what did you all expect? A supreme creator deity setup that would make perfect sense to extremely limited mortals? If you buy the god thing, it seems just about self evident that it’s going to be beyond your comprehension. If you don’t buy it, then the details are immaterial. The Christian god is supposed to have made arrangements for the truth to be encoded in that heap of wackadoodle scripture, and there’s apparently references to three different god aspects, so there you go. Appears to work for people, maybe because 3 points define a circle.
Hm. So the numb-nuts who created the heap of steaming fetid dog shit (bible) were being clever by pretending to create the trinity as the points which define the circle of life or a circular universe? Not buying that. No way were they that learned, now if they had four deities called Adenine, Thymine, Guanine and Cytosine who all lived in a double-helixed themed castle that orbits the sun betwixt mars and saturn I would have been a little more impressed…
You’re confusing yourself, by asking general questions like “how is 3 more mysterious than 2?”, and then applying the answer to a different question. The bible text didn’t invent stuff with a studied intent to put together a compelling theology, it’s just a pile of BS from various difference sources. The theology came a few centuries afterwards.
Back in their day, I believe the typical setup was gods aplenty, with rudimentary theology linking some of them together as aspects etc., and the trinity was strong there. Brahma/Vishnu/Siva. From wikipedia again:
Amun-Ra retained chief importance in the Egyptian pantheon throughout the New Kingdom (with the exception of the “Atenist heresy” under Akhenaten). Amun-Ra in this period (16th to 11th centuries BC) held the position of transcendental, self-created creator deity “par excellence”; he was the champion of the poor or troubled and central to personal piety. His position as King of Gods developed to the point of virtual monotheism where other gods became manifestations of him.
…
In the Leiden hymns, Amun, Ptah, and Re are regarded as a trinity who are distinct gods but with unity in plurality. “The three gods are one yet the Egyptian elsewhere insists on the separate identity of each of the three.” This unity in plurality is expressed in one text:
All gods are three: Amun, Re and Ptah, whom none equals. He who hides his name as Amun, he appears to the face as Re, his body is Ptah.
My default mode for religion in general is “confused”…I attend weddings/funerals/christenings and marvel at the reverence people afford the geezer in the frock….I have a little voice inside screaming….THE FOOKIN EMPEROR IS STARK BOLLOCK NAKED YOU IMBECILES… 🙂 is that just me?
M27 @ 5.56 (wait, that sounds weaponized already?)
Anyway, seems to me you have a deeply valid point there despite all nonsense about priming the Holy Antioch Handgrenade (HAH) — 4 is in many ways a much more natural number. Think about it –ACGT; square of the first non-prime; number of macro-dimensions; and the life-saving call at any golf club. Not to mention the number of limbs (or residuals, for black adders) on any landliving vertebrate.
As for Donn: How many sides to a pyramid, eh?
(Well five, if you dig deep below.)
Succubus ov Satan: I am always amused that when Mo is driving the car (and it always is Mo) the steering wheel is perfectly aligned with his eyes, so that his vision is mostly blocked. Just Author’s little joke about blind faith.
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And therefore we must engage in symbolic ritual cannibalism.
I dunno, any religion that uses ‘Maltesers Bunny Chocolate Extra Large Easter Egg 265g for only £4.95 !’ as a core part of their marketing offer sure gets my vote.
Why is the comments count usually out of date? Just askin…
M27Holts, it’s the work of Satan. If you pray hard enough, the comment count will be correct. Right?
Not go and sin no more.
😉
Wonderful – my avatar looks like the flag for the morbidly obese section of the BNP 🙁
Sin? Aye. Jesus watches whilst I w***!
Something seems to be broken. There doesn’t seem to be a (next>) link from March 3rd (Kudos) to March 10th (Briefly). Going the other way (using the <prev link) is fine, but "there is no way back"!
Anon – try a “hard refresh” on the kudos page.
Cantankerousgit: You can choose your own avatar if you use the “Get an avatar” link.
Author: I tried that, , but still no link.
It all makes sense if you see it as a series of simple ideas to make people behave better, and feel OK about themselves. The idea of severe punishment in the afterlife for all offenders only works if there is an all powerful and all knowing God to enforce it. And the horror of unlimited punishment had to be modified in some way. These were never really designed to be consistent. They got taken too literally by people trying to game the system; and then had to be corrected to keep people obedient.
Author, Paul Seed is correct. Previous comic’s next and last buttons are duffed. source: I refreshed myself and tested through multiple international gateways.
M27, i did a comment count on arrival and it aligned 11/11, however my subsequent comment, and im guessing this one, went to the moderation queue.
After I went to look at the Missing Link, I found myself in a strange territory where I saw what might be another clue: the plain /comic/ link, one node above /comic/kudos, presents all the comics, most recent first – and at the top is “kudos”, not “briefly”. If “briefly” hasn’t been installed everywhere, that would explain why kudos doesn’t point to it.
I suppose the count’s out of date because it’s “static” content that gets updated occasionally, as opposed to some kind of program that executes when you load the page. Well, perhaps that’s a bit obvious, and the question is, who created this miserable world!? Were we supposed to sacrifice more people? Were the Gnostics right about the malevolent demiurge?
If you take it seriously, though, those simple ideas could cause a lot of trouble. As occasionally they do, but only among the certifiably mentally ill – who thus can be shown to be the only ones who take it seriously.
If I really believed that everyone either believes and receives an eternal reward, or disbelieves and is punished, my best bet would be to raise my children with an eye on their theological soundness, and then somewhere around 10 to 12 when it’s likely that they’ll start doubting, make sure they live not a minute longer. Then I might ought to off myself as well. OK, there are undoubtedly various scriptural gotchas that aim to prevent this “gaming” if that’s what you meant by that, but I think they aren’t necessary for the mentally sound, who are at some level aware that the promise might be empty.
The missing “last” link seems to be missing only on mobile devices, not desktops. And it is only the previous 2 comics (kudos and smug) which are affected. Gah! What a horrible problem to try to get to the bottom of.
I think I fixed it by scrubbing every cache. Could you check, please?
Donn:
That loophole is exactly why Armin Navabi attempted suicide shortly before he reached the age at which sins start to count according to the version of Islam he was taught. He tells the story in a few places including one of the first episodes of ‘Secular Jihadists for a Muslim Enlightenment”
It’s set right now, thanks to your dedicated attention – last week now has “Next >” and “Last >>”. Desktop access for me, by the way.
Indeed if it’s only a matter of having sinned or not, you’d certainly want to cut them down before they reach adolescence.
Yes but what about the trinity that she missed out? It’s the holy ghost bit that I can never get a handle on, just like everyone else. Who even is it?
‘Tis the vapour! Toby Shure.
Nobody: I live the idea of ‘refreshing myself’…… I guess the closest I get is refreshing my glass……
and apparently the selective advantage for believing in a particular god is one of trust: you can generally trust those who believe in The same god as you more that those who believe in a different god……… promoting group advantage.
Ah, the Trinity: God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. Oh, but the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is not the Father. They are three seperate beings, all of them are God, but they are not each other.
There, that should make things clear.
Here’s how the Trinity works. It’s a voter’s paradox.
Moe says that the Father is different from the Son and the Holy Ghost, who are both the same as God;
Larry says that the Son is different from the Holy Ghost and the Father, who are both the same as God;
Curly says that the Holy Ghost is different from the Father and the Son, who are both the same as God.
Therefore by 2/3 majority rule:
The Father is God, and the Son is not the Holy Ghost;
The Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is not the Father;
The Holy Ghost is God, and the Father is not the Son.
Here’s another voter’s paradox:
Moe prefers chocolate to vanilla to strawberry;
Larry prefers vanilla to strawberry to chocolate;
and Curly prefers strawberry to chocolate to vanilla.
So 2/3 prefer chocolate to vanilla;
2/3 prefer vanilla to strawberry;
2/3 prefer strawberry to chocolate.
A loop: yet they all agree that the ordering is linear!
I hope this explains the logic.
If you check out wikipedia, there’s a picture of them together, which should help.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity
If I make them out correctly, God is the one with beard, Jesus is not wearing a lot of clothes, and the spirit is a bird.
Yeah. But what is the significance of the integer 3? Why not god rhe father, god the son , god the holy ghost and god the holy death watch beetle? Thus four….
Don’t forget it was a ‘police’ assisted suicide. The role model for many of a suicide attack and mass shootings in America.
Holts, it has to be three or it wouldn’t be a trinity, would it? What next? Why don’t triangles have five sides?
Ok then. What is the significance of a Trinity? Obviously, it has significance now (for xtians) but what about when it was all made up?
Made up? Oh tell me it ain’t so!
No idea why they went for the threesome. Lack of imagination? Couldn’t count past three?
The big question is, was the supreme deity a Dachshund? There is a concealed code in the Bible that not even Dan Brown spotted. If you write ‘God Jesus’ in reverse you get…SUSEJ DOG!
Since the trinity are distinct persons, it would be interesting to see the holy ghost fly in as the dove (on J&M) and crap on their car (or their heads).
Is there any special healing power in holy ghost/dove shit?
The link below is to a painting of the trinity (from Wikipedia) and it depicts the holy ghost as a dove. The cherubs imbue the painting with a pedophiliac ambience.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/%C5%A0ven%C4%8Diausioji_Trejyb%C4%97.jpg
AoS: Too small to wag, too close to ground a hound. Needs to be a taller tale.
I always feel sorry for breeds of dog that have eugenically created disabilities….shouldn’t be allowed really…
I’ve read that 3 has been seen as a number with special significance in almost all times and places. Other numbers may be considered special in specific cultures — e.g., 7 and 12 in the West, or 8 in China — but 3 is universal. So is 2 of course, but one could always ascribe that the the male/female binary. 3 is a bit more mysterious.
How is 3 more mysterious than 2? and if so, where is the empirical evidence? I reckon 42 is far more mysterious…
Well, three points define a plane, and a circle, so that’s cool.
I don’t know, what did you all expect? A supreme creator deity setup that would make perfect sense to extremely limited mortals? If you buy the god thing, it seems just about self evident that it’s going to be beyond your comprehension. If you don’t buy it, then the details are immaterial. The Christian god is supposed to have made arrangements for the truth to be encoded in that heap of wackadoodle scripture, and there’s apparently references to three different god aspects, so there you go. Appears to work for people, maybe because 3 points define a circle.
Hm. So the numb-nuts who created the heap of steaming fetid dog shit (bible) were being clever by pretending to create the trinity as the points which define the circle of life or a circular universe? Not buying that. No way were they that learned, now if they had four deities called Adenine, Thymine, Guanine and Cytosine who all lived in a double-helixed themed castle that orbits the sun betwixt mars and saturn I would have been a little more impressed…
You’re confusing yourself, by asking general questions like “how is 3 more mysterious than 2?”, and then applying the answer to a different question. The bible text didn’t invent stuff with a studied intent to put together a compelling theology, it’s just a pile of BS from various difference sources. The theology came a few centuries afterwards.
Back in their day, I believe the typical setup was gods aplenty, with rudimentary theology linking some of them together as aspects etc., and the trinity was strong there. Brahma/Vishnu/Siva. From wikipedia again:
Amun-Ra retained chief importance in the Egyptian pantheon throughout the New Kingdom (with the exception of the “Atenist heresy” under Akhenaten). Amun-Ra in this period (16th to 11th centuries BC) held the position of transcendental, self-created creator deity “par excellence”; he was the champion of the poor or troubled and central to personal piety. His position as King of Gods developed to the point of virtual monotheism where other gods became manifestations of him.
…
In the Leiden hymns, Amun, Ptah, and Re are regarded as a trinity who are distinct gods but with unity in plurality. “The three gods are one yet the Egyptian elsewhere insists on the separate identity of each of the three.” This unity in plurality is expressed in one text:
All gods are three: Amun, Re and Ptah, whom none equals. He who hides his name as Amun, he appears to the face as Re, his body is Ptah.
My default mode for religion in general is “confused”…I attend weddings/funerals/christenings and marvel at the reverence people afford the geezer in the frock….I have a little voice inside screaming….THE FOOKIN EMPEROR IS STARK BOLLOCK NAKED YOU IMBECILES… 🙂 is that just me?
M27 @ 5.56 (wait, that sounds weaponized already?)
Anyway, seems to me you have a deeply valid point there despite all nonsense about priming the Holy Antioch Handgrenade (HAH) — 4 is in many ways a much more natural number. Think about it –ACGT; square of the first non-prime; number of macro-dimensions; and the life-saving call at any golf club. Not to mention the number of limbs (or residuals, for black adders) on any landliving vertebrate.
As for Donn: How many sides to a pyramid, eh?
(Well five, if you dig deep below.)
You itemize reasons why 4 is boring – square, as we used to say in my youth. 3 is not a number of mystery because you find it everywhere.
Pyramid has a point though.
Sphynx so?
father son holy ghost anagrams
ghastly hornet hoofs
fatherly hog shot son
shorn theology shaft
no hat ghost horsefly
these are no better than anagrams for death watch beetle (oath whetted bellyache)
but that’s what you get for engaging in metaphysics and theology.
Oy. Post dog don’t diss the BEETLE for they will probably inherit the earth. ..
Teabag: Answer is a riddle. Find it and solve it.
Hint: Inscrutable.
Hiearendeth the glyph.
FIN
RE: Laripu
The Roman Church states the the bread becomes the actual physical body of Jesus, but you can’t detect that through any physical means. ???
Why would Mo drive when he has a magical flying horse that can reach the moon
Succubus ov Satan: I am always amused that when Mo is driving the car (and it always is Mo) the steering wheel is perfectly aligned with his eyes, so that his vision is mostly blocked. Just Author’s little joke about blind faith.
Suck-u-bus? That would be the late public transport home from Manchester I reckon….
Rrr – 4 squared. Why do you think the whole world runs on 16 bits?
S ov S- Because Bullshit Never Sleeps. 🙂
Samhuff, you can’t detect it by any means because transubstantiation is a miracle. Now go and sin no more. 😉
I used to live next door to a transubstantiation….true story