And Yahweh purposefully sealed the pharaoh’s heart so he could “show my signs” which, of course, were killing thousands of innocent men women, children, and babies.
Yahweh (alias Allah, alias Elohim) says that he is a jealous god. Psychologically, Jealousy is a product of insecurity and together they beget anger. Why would a “perfect” god that is omniscient, omnipotent be insecure, jealous, and angry? So, Yahweh, it appears, is a narcissistic sociopath. Hmm, sounds to me like Trump is more god-like than any of us.
I don’t suppose this was plagiarised from Exodus and JHWH’s serial hardening of the heart of “Pharaoh” thus leading to the ever-worsening state of the Israelites?
Given that humans invent Gods and do so in their own image, how can it be a surprise that their Gods turn out to be jealous, blood thirsty, occasionally mean just to be mean, and nice on occasion?
Donn, supposedly, free will justifies the religious persecution of those who use it unwisely. You choose to not believe with that free will thingie of yours.
Vanity Unfair, I think the tetragrammaton (יהוה)
should be rendered as Yehu, or Yehuh, because the word “Jews” is Yehudim (יהודים), which would make them followers of Yehu. The vowels are indicated by diacritical marks which are rarely written. If the marks are written as יְהוּה it would be pronounced Yehu.
That’s despite the fact that the Pope (and Lady Gaga 🙂 ) have said that “The Eucharist is not a prize for the perfect, but medicine for sinners”. That is, as long as Biden goes to confession, he should be entitled to communion.
Also, they don’t withhold communion from people who impose the death penalty. Or from priests that sexually abuse little children.
In theory, the “gift of free will” could be interpreted as God’s giving humans the ability to make decisions that even God cannot foresee. That would actually solve a lot of sticky theological problems! However neither Christianity nor Islam seems to have made use of this escape hatch, although Islam seems to have flirted with it.
Laripu at 12.22pm:
“Do you accept this cookie? Y/n/excommunicate”
Can’t help humming The Vatican Rag by Tom Lehrer:
“There the guy who’s got religion’ll tell’ya if your sin’s original.
If it is, try playing it safer — drink the wine and chew the wafer.
2, 4, 6, 8 — time to transsubstantiate!”
HYPOCRISY?: Colleagues energetically bark the term Islamist. But they accuse me of bigotry if I say either Christist or Jewist. When I point out what to me appears to be their contradiction or hypocrisy they really don’t see that.
It’s hard to say whether a word makes sense without knowing the referent, but … the run of the mill Christians and Jews seem to get along OK in a basically secular state. With some exceptions of course – you could call Christian Identity “Christist”, for an extreme case.
Donn. Not all believers are fanatics, but as Hitchens points out the moderates feed the fanatics. The Islamists openly want to destroy the Jews. The Zionists/Jewists twist the Israeli state to make sure non Jews can’t ever become a voting majority and cancel the beloved Jewish state. The Palestinians are abused. Christists are undermining American democracy and know it. Pence said his loyalty is to god, then his family, then the US. Try to get an anointing Mississippi. Where are the female Catholic priests? The inmates are increasingly running the goddist asylum.
Believing in the Christian god is weird, but once you’re there, I think you have to put him/it before the state. The question is how far you’re willing to go to make everyone else bow to your god and play by rules dictated by the religion. Because your god could just do that for real, but instead the game for him/it to “seal their hearts” and then get you to make everyone pretend to believe, to save their lives.
They demolished the catholic church where I got wed, and anglican churches are empty. But they are building big mosques in the north west of england at the rate of 2 per year….hmmm
In Canada… A few weeks ago, at a closed residential school, they found 215 unmarked graves. Now, at another closed residential school they’ve found 751 more unmarked graves.
The children forced to live there were children of indigenous families, removed from their parents in an attempt to make them culturally Canadian, rather than keep their parents’ language and culture. This kind of ethnic erasure is bad enough, but unmarked graves?
These schools were all run by the Catholic Church. They are separated by thousands of miles. (Canada is huge.) There are investigations under way at three more schools. The distances involved tell me that the deaths weren’t coincidental, but were per policy.
So that means: the Roman Catholic church is responsible for the biggest racially-motivated mass murder ever in Canada – a mass-murder of children.
I’m following this because I’m originally from Canada. I spent the first 40 years of my life in Montreal, which was largely Catholic, and still is. I lived right across the street from a huge and beautiful Catholic church. I often played on their property (and was chased off by the janitor). This one: Paroisse Saint-Viateur-d’Outremont https://maps.app.goo.gl/5XEhc1YCR11SmuWn9
Rrr, I’m afraid 5G is out unless the pope convinced the aliens to bring it back in time many decades.
Seriously, do you think the graves are a conspiracy theory? Or do you think the conspiracy theory is that the Church is responsible? These children died at a rate much higher than the population in general. Many survivors who still live say they experienced physical and sexual abuse.
Either the children were murdered to keep them silent, or the neglect was so severe that it resulted in untreated fatal disease, and so widespread that it must be considered to have been policy. Or both. My take is that the staff were abusive in all ways, deaths resulted from the abuse, and no higher-up in the Church cared, which allowed the abuse to continue. And that there were some outright murders.
Children being transported to one of these schools by train, who died on the way, were simply thrown off the train.
A woman, now 77, speaks out. As a child she discovered a girl whose head had been bashed in by a two-by-four for running in the hall; she was physically punished for telling the principal and told to never speak of it again.
One had fingernails ripped out for speaking her own language.
These schools were concentration camps for children, run by the Catholic Church. This makes the scandal of sexual abuse by priests look like a walk in the park, by comparison.
Whenever religion is the source of human depravity , somehow the woke liberals who run governments or controlling bodies of whatever kind always resort to the “no true scotsman” fallacy or usually just avoid the religious directive amd try to blame it on any secular rationale rather than the horaeshit that fuelled it….
I wonder if the soldiers of Jesus are the obvious choice to do society’s dirty work. Say you’ve got a situation where some people are going to have to be brutally oppressed; who better to do it, than a group who have righteousness and absolution all figured out? At least, for dealing with children and other easily dominated people.
Laripu, mea maxima culpa if I came off as flippant on the subject of Catholic oppression!
What I tried and failed to sarcastically convey was the implication of Catholic Church Correlation an Co-Conspiracy to Horrible Genocide on the Innocent Indigenous. And that this was neither the first nor the last Case. (Also not exclusively Papal culpability, globally!)
I also blame the Pope of the time for Stroessner and for all the rest of those Criminals eloping justice. For this I will surely be Darned to Heck but wth, eh.
We are probably all on the same page here (except for a recent troll or few, bless their bleedin hearts) .
Going way off the subject, I note that much of the Canadian West Coast is experiencing a horrendous heat wave. My thoughts go out to Vancouver resident, Darwin Harmless, who has been a regular here at the Cock & Bull pub for many years, contributing many interesting/amusing comments, even composing a song for us. Hi there, DH, I hope you are doing OK under the circumstances.
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Hmm. I can’t think why?
JK, JFC
There are plenty of places in the Bible where the merciful God hardens the hearts of people.
Watch out, Jesus, he’s sealing your heart!
And the Bible has its share of nasty “morality”: “The Bible Says THAT?!” http://goodlife.doug-long.com/46.htm
And Yahweh purposefully sealed the pharaoh’s heart so he could “show my signs” which, of course, were killing thousands of innocent men women, children, and babies.
Yahweh (alias Allah, alias Elohim) says that he is a jealous god. Psychologically, Jealousy is a product of insecurity and together they beget anger. Why would a “perfect” god that is omniscient, omnipotent be insecure, jealous, and angry? So, Yahweh, it appears, is a narcissistic sociopath. Hmm, sounds to me like Trump is more god-like than any of us.
I don’t suppose this was plagiarised from Exodus and JHWH’s serial hardening of the heart of “Pharaoh” thus leading to the ever-worsening state of the Israelites?
Given that humans invent Gods and do so in their own image, how can it be a surprise that their Gods turn out to be jealous, blood thirsty, occasionally mean just to be mean, and nice on occasion?
My grasp of the theology is only rudimentary, but isn’t the Abraham god omnipotent? So everything is god’s will, including my not believing in god.
Donn, supposedly, free will justifies the religious persecution of those who use it unwisely. You choose to not believe with that free will thingie of yours.
Vanity Unfair, I think the tetragrammaton (יהוה)
should be rendered as Yehu, or Yehuh, because the word “Jews” is Yehudim (יהודים), which would make them followers of Yehu. The vowels are indicated by diacritical marks which are rarely written. If the marks are written as יְהוּה it would be pronounced Yehu.
But it might be more fun to call it Yahoo. 🙂
On the topic of hypocrisy:
American Catholic bishops are discussing withholding communion from Joe Biden (a practising Catholic) because he won’t support a ban on abortion. See https://www.npr.org/2021/06/18/1007794929/catholic-bishops-abortion-biden-communion
That’s despite the fact that the Pope (and Lady Gaga 🙂 ) have said that “The Eucharist is not a prize for the perfect, but medicine for sinners”. That is, as long as Biden goes to confession, he should be entitled to communion.
Also, they don’t withhold communion from people who impose the death penalty. Or from priests that sexually abuse little children.
So… Yeah … Hypocrisy.
In theory, the “gift of free will” could be interpreted as God’s giving humans the ability to make decisions that even God cannot foresee. That would actually solve a lot of sticky theological problems! However neither Christianity nor Islam seems to have made use of this escape hatch, although Islam seems to have flirted with it.
Laripu at 12.22pm:
“Do you accept this cookie? Y/n/excommunicate”
Can’t help humming The Vatican Rag by Tom Lehrer:
“There the guy who’s got religion’ll tell’ya if your sin’s original.
If it is, try playing it safer — drink the wine and chew the wafer.
2, 4, 6, 8 — time to transsubstantiate!”
They don’t make’m like that anymore.
HYPOCRISY?: Colleagues energetically bark the term Islamist. But they accuse me of bigotry if I say either Christist or Jewist. When I point out what to me appears to be their contradiction or hypocrisy they really don’t see that.
It’s hard to say whether a word makes sense without knowing the referent, but … the run of the mill Christians and Jews seem to get along OK in a basically secular state. With some exceptions of course – you could call Christian Identity “Christist”, for an extreme case.
Donn. Not all believers are fanatics, but as Hitchens points out the moderates feed the fanatics. The Islamists openly want to destroy the Jews. The Zionists/Jewists twist the Israeli state to make sure non Jews can’t ever become a voting majority and cancel the beloved Jewish state. The Palestinians are abused. Christists are undermining American democracy and know it. Pence said his loyalty is to god, then his family, then the US. Try to get an anointing Mississippi. Where are the female Catholic priests? The inmates are increasingly running the goddist asylum.
My jeezoid spellchecker changed “abortion” to “anointing.” That really has to be a goddist terrorist act.
JFC, did you mean: adenoid spellchecker? it has autocorrupt
Believing in the Christian god is weird, but once you’re there, I think you have to put him/it before the state. The question is how far you’re willing to go to make everyone else bow to your god and play by rules dictated by the religion. Because your god could just do that for real, but instead the game for him/it to “seal their hearts” and then get you to make everyone pretend to believe, to save their lives.
Rrr – Tom Lehrer has been a favorite of mine since I first heard him in 1974. I love his song shit Lobaschevsky.
That should have been “about”.
They demolished the catholic church where I got wed, and anglican churches are empty. But they are building big mosques in the north west of england at the rate of 2 per year….hmmm
M27Holts: In a hundred years time, it will be the turn of the big mosques to be standing empty or demolished.
It’s not only the big mosques that worry me, also the tiny little ones.
Are’nt they called mosque-itos in Spanish?
In Canada… A few weeks ago, at a closed residential school, they found 215 unmarked graves. Now, at another closed residential school they’ve found 751 more unmarked graves.
The children forced to live there were children of indigenous families, removed from their parents in an attempt to make them culturally Canadian, rather than keep their parents’ language and culture. This kind of ethnic erasure is bad enough, but unmarked graves?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57592243
These schools were all run by the Catholic Church. They are separated by thousands of miles. (Canada is huge.) There are investigations under way at three more schools. The distances involved tell me that the deaths weren’t coincidental, but were per policy.
So that means: the Roman Catholic church is responsible for the biggest racially-motivated mass murder ever in Canada – a mass-murder of children.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Canadian_Indian_residential_schools_gravesite_discoveries
I’m following this because I’m originally from Canada. I spent the first 40 years of my life in Montreal, which was largely Catholic, and still is. I lived right across the street from a huge and beautiful Catholic church. I often played on their property (and was chased off by the janitor). This one: Paroisse Saint-Viateur-d’Outremont
https://maps.app.goo.gl/5XEhc1YCR11SmuWn9
Laripu, it’s almost as if they were inspired by the same source, somehow? :p ope
Or Aliens, or 5G.
Rrr, I’m afraid 5G is out unless the pope convinced the aliens to bring it back in time many decades.
Seriously, do you think the graves are a conspiracy theory? Or do you think the conspiracy theory is that the Church is responsible? These children died at a rate much higher than the population in general. Many survivors who still live say they experienced physical and sexual abuse.
Either the children were murdered to keep them silent, or the neglect was so severe that it resulted in untreated fatal disease, and so widespread that it must be considered to have been policy. Or both. My take is that the staff were abusive in all ways, deaths resulted from the abuse, and no higher-up in the Church cared, which allowed the abuse to continue. And that there were some outright murders.
Children being transported to one of these schools by train, who died on the way, were simply thrown off the train.
A woman, now 77, speaks out. As a child she discovered a girl whose head had been bashed in by a two-by-four for running in the hall; she was physically punished for telling the principal and told to never speak of it again.
One had fingernails ripped out for speaking her own language.
https://globalnews.ca/news/7981899/residential-school-survivor-speaking-out-conditions-trauma/
These schools were concentration camps for children, run by the Catholic Church. This makes the scandal of sexual abuse by priests look like a walk in the park, by comparison.
Whenever religion is the source of human depravity , somehow the woke liberals who run governments or controlling bodies of whatever kind always resort to the “no true scotsman” fallacy or usually just avoid the religious directive amd try to blame it on any secular rationale rather than the horaeshit that fuelled it….
I wonder if the soldiers of Jesus are the obvious choice to do society’s dirty work. Say you’ve got a situation where some people are going to have to be brutally oppressed; who better to do it, than a group who have righteousness and absolution all figured out? At least, for dealing with children and other easily dominated people.
Laripu, mea maxima culpa if I came off as flippant on the subject of Catholic oppression!
What I tried and failed to sarcastically convey was the implication of Catholic Church Correlation an Co-Conspiracy to Horrible Genocide on the Innocent Indigenous. And that this was neither the first nor the last Case. (Also not exclusively Papal culpability, globally!)
I also blame the Pope of the time for Stroessner and for all the rest of those Criminals eloping justice. For this I will surely be Darned to Heck but wth, eh.
We are probably all on the same page here (except for a recent troll or few, bless their bleedin hearts) .
Going way off the subject, I note that much of the Canadian West Coast is experiencing a horrendous heat wave. My thoughts go out to Vancouver resident, Darwin Harmless, who has been a regular here at the Cock & Bull pub for many years, contributing many interesting/amusing comments, even composing a song for us. Hi there, DH, I hope you are doing OK under the circumstances.