Amazon Kindle has an annotated educational copy of the Quran for $1.49 Can$. I bought one and when I am really really bored I will go through it. The only problem is, unlike a paper book, the e-book cannot be repurposed as toilet paper when one is disgusted with the crap.
I have a Picthall translation of the koran, given to me in a pub in Salford. It is as entertaining as the bible for its obviously 7th century mentalist conceived bullshit….
I strongly deny that either or both of Donn and Rrr are pseudonyms of mine, although that should be obvious from the difference in intellect demonstrated between their contributions to this forum, and my own contributions.
As wrong and stupid as religions often are, sometimes they were a stabilizing force. Right now, things are falling apart, and every conspiracy adherent thinks they know better than every authority… even if the “authority” is an older, more established myth.
Here’s where we are. About 54% of the population, worldwide, has an IQ between 80 and 105. These are dull normals, not intellectually disabled. When this group was stupid in the past they were mostly controllable, in part by religion. Now, they’re running wild and the diversity of stupidity is no longer controllable.
Lets hope that the chinese authorities are preparing to release covid armageddium with a 100% mortality rate for those stupid enough not to be vaccinated and over 18 years of age…bit like the Golgafrinchams , it could be a better solution to get rid of the terminally stupid than sending them off into space to collonise earth….
Yes, Donn, that is one indicator of relative ranking.
Another is: “Does this moron eat horse de-wormer or fish-tank cleaner?” though that one can often be a temporary marker.
An inferior system can often identify or recognise a superior but the former does not necessarily admit to the fact nor must it always respond in a sane and sensible manner to it. It is easy to program a system to do the stupid; possibly easier than programming it not to.
These generalisations apply to living systems, too, in general, on average and with sufficient squinting. If “Psychohistory” ever became a real science it would need to take into account the fact of deep stupidity and the vast numbers of dwellers therein.
Psychohistory’s idiot ancestor, the soggy, waffly but intensely functional art of politics, certainly does.
But to return to the main topic of the cartoon, the best way to avoid dinner guests overstaying any welcome is to never have any. Mo’ seems to have missed that option.
It appears the link failed. The gist of the post is to improve your conversation skills by asking your friend to say something about themself. e.g., “What the hell is wrong with you?”
Postdog, I searched for and found the cartoon, and it’s funny. But I’m not sure what you’re trying me. Are you trying me that I need to improve my conversational skills? Or that asking people what’s wrong with them is a way to avoid their stupidity?
My question about that job they previous post was meant in a societal way, not a personal way. I don’t think there really is a way to avoid them. Societies can’t get rid of them. They can be crushed, and kept down, but that’s probably worse.
I live in a cave in the woods, and I’m not coming out until they herd all the stupid people into boxcars and haul them away to some kind of camp where they’re shoved onto garbage barges and dumped in the middle of the ocean.
Just been reading about phd geology lecturers still believing in the bible as an explanatio of creation. No way would I have them teaching students in any university anywhere…fookwits that they clearly are…
M27Holts: I think you will find that their PhD degrees are awarded by (American) bible-based “universities” and that they are lecturers in similar institutions. I doubt very much that they are taken seriously by genuine universities such as Harvard and Yale. (Well, I hope not!)
Unfortunately the geologist gained his doctorate at Harvard..His childhood indoctrination as a fundentalist xtian is sufficient to still endorse creationism…I will name names when I find the article…
M27Holts: From Kurt Wise Wikipedia article: ‘Biologist and popular atheist author Richard Dawkins called Wise a truly honest creationist because he is willing to accept creationism even if he admitted “all the evidence in the universe” was against it. Dawkins, referring to Wise’s testimony, criticized what he perceived as intellectual dishonesty: Kurt Wise doesn’t need the challenge; he volunteers that, even if all the evidence in the universe flatly contradicted Scripture, and even if he had reached the point of admitting this to himself, he would still take his stand on Scripture and deny the evidence. This leaves me, as a scientist, speechless… We have it on the authority of a man who may well be creationism’s most highly qualified and most intelligent scientist that no evidence, no matter how overwhelming, no matter how all-embracing, no matter how devastatingly convincing, can ever make any difference. Further, in his book “The God Delusion”, Richard Dawkins referred to Kurt’s denial of science over creationism: Kurt Wise’s story is just plain pathetic – pathetic and contemptible. The wound, to his career and his life’s happiness, was self-inflicted, so unnecessary, so easy to escape. All he had to do was toss out the bible. Or interpret it symbolically, or allegorically, as the theologians do. Instead, he did the fundamentalist thing and tossed out science, evidence and reason, along with all his dreams and hopes.’
As M27Holts says, Wise’s degree was in Paleontology – I don’t see how anyone can make sense of paleontology without an understanding of biological evolution and the various physical “clocks” for dating strata. (I admit I’m not a paleontologist!)
BTW: I recently saw a story about an anti-vaxxer (american of course) who was against vaccination on religious grounds; she stated that, even if God told her to get vaccinated, she would refuse!
The bible and koran are just historical works of fiction. And any stewed-donkey-turd who has a phd in the sciences or even a degree who places those two ignorant dogma’s above the origin…, principia or selfish gene should not be able to teach science. They should be stripped of their letters and be placed in the corner of the lecture theatre with a dunces cap on…
Years ago I read about someone who in retrospect must have been Kurt Wise. He was a declared creationist pursuing a degree in paleontology, which his professors found puzzling and disturbing. They were concerned that he was pursuing the degree in bad faith — i.e., he wanted it not because he had any real interest in paleontology, or any intention of contributing to the field, but because he was planning to make a career out of attacking the theory of evolution, and the degree would enhance his credibility. There was even some pressure to deny Wise the degree for this reason, but in the end they gave it to him because he had done the work. A truly amazing example of doublethink!!!
M27 re: camels — goes back to an old saying that it only takes one small gap to let the camel put its nose under the tent canvas, and then it’s already inside.
If that’s what you were wondering. ‘
Hope all your diagnostics work out favourably! Whateve they may be. GL.
Kurt Wise — now that one has the wrong name!
Did we not hear of him already in the days of PZ? Rings a distant bell. Around the time of that Ark circus iirc. All that should be buried in paleolithic layers, forever. Amen.
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O Moe. You’re gonna have to say “Sudo make me a sandwich.”
To be fair, if I was God I wouldn’t let my dinner guests hang around drinking my good scotch all night long either.
Amazon Kindle has an annotated educational copy of the Quran for $1.49 Can$. I bought one and when I am really really bored I will go through it. The only problem is, unlike a paper book, the e-book cannot be repurposed as toilet paper when one is disgusted with the crap.
Judas, you could have saved your money:
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.htm
When I was a kid, we used to joke: Jesus saves (but Moses invests). 🙂
Judas, you could have saved your money:
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.htm
When I was a kid, we used to joke: Jesus saves (but Moses invests). 🙂
Laripu: Do you have an identical twin?
SoG: Almost, except one of them is Anonymous.
Laripu and Anonymous. The only good (cute) news is that this version of Allah’s messages ranks: #37,738 in Literary Fiction (Amazon Books).
So, is “Rrr” another of Laripu’s handles/avatars/pseudonyms – how many does he (or she) have altogether?
We are all part of the universal consciousness. All except you, of course.
SoG at 9:53
No but I am one of yours :p
I have a Picthall translation of the koran, given to me in a pub in Salford. It is as entertaining as the bible for its obviously 7th century mentalist conceived bullshit….
M27: Careful now, don’t want to out Author’s locale (or local)
I strongly deny that either or both of Donn and Rrr are pseudonyms of mine, although that should be obvious from the difference in intellect demonstrated between their contributions to this forum, and my own contributions.
Uhh. We really don’t know what you mean.
And that, Rrr, perfectly illustrates SoG’s point.
In Information Theory, no inferior system can fully map [or “understand”] a superior one.
But isn’t that likely how you decided that the system was inferior, in the first place?
WTF is “universal consciousness” woo-merchants of the world unite? Get a grip you “wrigglers”….
Has anyone noticed that anti-vaxxers are rebelling against the Catholic Church, and religion in general? Here are some indications:
A Catholic woman refuses vaccination and calls the Pope a hypocrite for telling people to take it: https://youtu.be/rSQ_XXN3y8U
A healthcare worker says she wouldn’t get vaccinated even if god told her to: https://www.insider.com/healthcare-worker-fired-refusing-covid-19-shot-mandate-new-york-2021-10
Some of the Pope’s Swiss Guards quit rather than get vaccinated: https://news.yahoo.com/3-swiss-guards-refused-vaccination-181217770.html
As wrong and stupid as religions often are, sometimes they were a stabilizing force. Right now, things are falling apart, and every conspiracy adherent thinks they know better than every authority… even if the “authority” is an older, more established myth.
Here’s where we are. About 54% of the population, worldwide, has an IQ between 80 and 105. These are dull normals, not intellectually disabled. When this group was stupid in the past they were mostly controllable, in part by religion. Now, they’re running wild and the diversity of stupidity is no longer controllable.
Any suggestions on how to avoid the crazy?
Laripu: Apart from vaccination, you mean?
(Runs away and hides)
Lets hope that the chinese authorities are preparing to release covid armageddium with a 100% mortality rate for those stupid enough not to be vaccinated and over 18 years of age…bit like the Golgafrinchams , it could be a better solution to get rid of the terminally stupid than sending them off into space to collonise earth….
They’re controllable, it’s just that the technology for doing that has passed beyond the pope and his minions and the Catholic church is getting left behind. “Megachurch” is where the flock is headed. https://www.washington.edu/news/2012/08/20/god-as-a-drug-the-rise-of-american-megachurches/
Yes, Donn, that is one indicator of relative ranking.
Another is: “Does this moron eat horse de-wormer or fish-tank cleaner?” though that one can often be a temporary marker.
An inferior system can often identify or recognise a superior but the former does not necessarily admit to the fact nor must it always respond in a sane and sensible manner to it. It is easy to program a system to do the stupid; possibly easier than programming it not to.
These generalisations apply to living systems, too, in general, on average and with sufficient squinting. If “Psychohistory” ever became a real science it would need to take into account the fact of deep stupidity and the vast numbers of dwellers therein.
Psychohistory’s idiot ancestor, the soggy, waffly but intensely functional art of politics, certainly does.
But to return to the main topic of the cartoon, the best way to avoid dinner guests overstaying any welcome is to never have any. Mo’ seems to have missed that option.
Laripu…
Laripu…
The Art of Conversation 8 – 10 | Savage chickens, Funny pictures, Teaching humor
It appears the link failed. The gist of the post is to improve your conversation skills by asking your friend to say something about themself. e.g., “What the hell is wrong with you?”
Postdog, I searched for and found the cartoon, and it’s funny. But I’m not sure what you’re trying me. Are you trying me that I need to improve my conversational skills? Or that asking people what’s wrong with them is a way to avoid their stupidity?
My question about that job they previous post was meant in a societal way, not a personal way. I don’t think there really is a way to avoid them. Societies can’t get rid of them. They can be crushed, and kept down, but that’s probably worse.
Laripu – just wanted to share the fun. Your examples of lackwit antivaxxers was spot on. Keep’em coming.
I live in a cave in the woods, and I’m not coming out until they herd all the stupid people into boxcars and haul them away to some kind of camp where they’re shoved onto garbage barges and dumped in the middle of the ocean.
Paige — That idea has already been explored. (Full text here).
Just been reading about phd geology lecturers still believing in the bible as an explanatio of creation. No way would I have them teaching students in any university anywhere…fookwits that they clearly are…
M27Holts: I think you will find that their PhD degrees are awarded by (American) bible-based “universities” and that they are lecturers in similar institutions. I doubt very much that they are taken seriously by genuine universities such as Harvard and Yale. (Well, I hope not!)
Unfortunately the geologist gained his doctorate at Harvard..His childhood indoctrination as a fundentalist xtian is sufficient to still endorse creationism…I will name names when I find the article…
Kurt Wise (irony meter explodes…)
PhD in Paleontology…sorry…still embraces a lot of geologuy obvs..
M27Holts: From Kurt Wise Wikipedia article: ‘Biologist and popular atheist author Richard Dawkins called Wise a truly honest creationist because he is willing to accept creationism even if he admitted “all the evidence in the universe” was against it. Dawkins, referring to Wise’s testimony, criticized what he perceived as intellectual dishonesty: Kurt Wise doesn’t need the challenge; he volunteers that, even if all the evidence in the universe flatly contradicted Scripture, and even if he had reached the point of admitting this to himself, he would still take his stand on Scripture and deny the evidence. This leaves me, as a scientist, speechless… We have it on the authority of a man who may well be creationism’s most highly qualified and most intelligent scientist that no evidence, no matter how overwhelming, no matter how all-embracing, no matter how devastatingly convincing, can ever make any difference. Further, in his book “The God Delusion”, Richard Dawkins referred to Kurt’s denial of science over creationism: Kurt Wise’s story is just plain pathetic – pathetic and contemptible. The wound, to his career and his life’s happiness, was self-inflicted, so unnecessary, so easy to escape. All he had to do was toss out the bible. Or interpret it symbolically, or allegorically, as the theologians do. Instead, he did the fundamentalist thing and tossed out science, evidence and reason, along with all his dreams and hopes.’
As M27Holts says, Wise’s degree was in Paleontology – I don’t see how anyone can make sense of paleontology without an understanding of biological evolution and the various physical “clocks” for dating strata. (I admit I’m not a paleontologist!)
BTW: I recently saw a story about an anti-vaxxer (american of course) who was against vaccination on religious grounds; she stated that, even if God told her to get vaccinated, she would refuse!
The bible and koran are just historical works of fiction. And any stewed-donkey-turd who has a phd in the sciences or even a degree who places those two ignorant dogma’s above the origin…, principia or selfish gene should not be able to teach science. They should be stripped of their letters and be placed in the corner of the lecture theatre with a dunces cap on…
Big corner, consisting of entire (select) collages!
That’s where the camel entered the tent.
^ not heard that saying before…so I have learnt sumfink new…just been in an MRI scanner twice. The surgical registra wanted more details…
M27Holts: Hope your MRI scan showed encouraging images.
The co-inventor of the MRI scanner was in the same class as me at school. Now sadly deceased. I never did anything very much to be remembered for.
That’s life!
Years ago I read about someone who in retrospect must have been Kurt Wise. He was a declared creationist pursuing a degree in paleontology, which his professors found puzzling and disturbing. They were concerned that he was pursuing the degree in bad faith — i.e., he wanted it not because he had any real interest in paleontology, or any intention of contributing to the field, but because he was planning to make a career out of attacking the theory of evolution, and the degree would enhance his credibility. There was even some pressure to deny Wise the degree for this reason, but in the end they gave it to him because he had done the work. A truly amazing example of doublethink!!!
M27 re: camels — goes back to an old saying that it only takes one small gap to let the camel put its nose under the tent canvas, and then it’s already inside.
If that’s what you were wondering. ‘
Hope all your diagnostics work out favourably! Whateve they may be. GL.
Kurt Wise — now that one has the wrong name!
Did we not hear of him already in the days of PZ? Rings a distant bell. Around the time of that Ark circus iirc. All that should be buried in paleolithic layers, forever. Amen.