I’m not a narcissist. Just because The Creator of the entire universe loves me, personally; talks to me every day and every night; and is going to take me to live with Him in His special place with gold streets and other wonders… that’s the kind of thing that floats My Creator’s boat.
Of course, if I don’t love Him back He’s gonna burn my ass forever and ever…
I hate to prick Mo’s bubble, but wasn’t Joseph Smith God’s final final prophet? Not only that, he had to translate God’s word from “reformed Egyptian”; he must have considered himself to be a serious smartypants. He probably scored higher on the narcissism scale, too. I bet Smith hated it when Brigham Young became the final final final prophet.
I just checked a few psychology sites where they state that there are 9 symptoms of narcissism in DSM-5: 1. grandiosity and self-importance; 2. fantasies of success, perfection, or power; 3. a strong conviction of being special and unique; 4. a need for admiration and praise; 5. entitlement; 6. a pattern of exploiting others for personal gain; 7. low empathy; 8. envy, jealousy, and distrust; 9. arrogance, haughtiness, and scorn.
SOG. No such thing as Irony in Country and western, it’s fans would never recognise it. But it is a fact that if you play it backwards on your turntable, your wife comes home, your crops are suddenly abundant and your car starts to work again….
Son of Glenner, the ability to recognize irony wasn’t included in the DSM-5 as there is only one way to objectively measure it: the irony meter which can only be found right here.
Anyway, a visit to the doctor, he confirms that my urine sample showed that I had a serious E-coli infection of my bladder and prostate. He cheerfully informs me that without the latest anti-biotics I was prescibed, I was almost certainly dead…I told my wife I was ill…hahaha
M27, I mostly dislike country music too.
However, there is an exception. His name is Lyle Lovett.
In this early song of his he mock-seriously suggests a 10-year-old’s dream of riding a pony on a boat.
M27, last week you suggested the religious fookwits go away somewhere like Antarctica. I recall a J&M sometime back where Jesus and Mo actually took that suggestion. They didn’t stay because the penguins were gay. btw, how ironic that you accede to doing the xmas decs. Just don’t go into any kind of church; it would surely tumble down on you.
Xmas decs? No pre-xmas diy decorating. My mrs gets bored with room decor every year. I have spent more money on changing rooms and soft furnishings than the GDP of a small african nation…
I’m a saturnalia kind of geezer. Burning things, stuffing my face with food, quaffing ale, having as much sex as the mrs allows…celebrating the return of the star sol. Dec 21st…the mrs celebrates the xtian festival, which by coincidence is around the same time so we are in sync….
Quine, all those symptoms of narcissism are apparent in the orange menace that I like to call Mierda Lardo. Thanks for posting that.
Allow me to add two things that aren’t symptoms of narcissism but also explain a lot:
1. A feeling of inferiority that comes from being slightly above average but associating with people who are far above average and who show no respect.
2. A sense of victimhood, with a concomitant desire for vengeance.
The American legal system is moving too slowly here for my taste.
From my longtime friend, Mary…
One of my brothers superglued one of the pedopriests into the confessional.
2 of My brothers were headstrong and let no priests bully them. The brother in between them was very nice and respectful to clergy so the other 2 protected him.
One brother got to the church before Saturday afternoon confessions. My dad had taught him how to use a cool 2 part epoxy. He applied it to the frame and edges of the priest’s door and the lock. Then he stood there sweetly holding the door open for the priest.
The priest made a snarky remark, “Well, Mr **** I see you are finally showing some respect for authority.”
“Yes, Father.” Knowing Greg, he probably made a slight bow, a flourish to his dirty deed.
Then he quietly and securely shut the door.
2 hours later…..
the windows to hear confessions were too small for the priest to escape.
In another episode, he blackmailed another pedopriest…. after getting evidence on audiocassette tape.
Is it mandatory to fiddle with kids if you are a catholic priest? Seems to be a lot of it about and the catholic women I have worked with who went to convent schools in the 60s and 70s all had tales of sexual abuse that proved that it was also mandatory for nuns as well…
Totally out of my depth here, but wouldn’t be surprised if some part of the explanation lies in that psychological quirk: If told DO NOT LOOK AT THAT THING — it is very, very hard not to. “Uh, what thing? Oh, that thing, I see.”
The people who like to diddle children are attracted to jobs in which the opportunity exists. That is, there are children to diddle, opportunity exists and secrecy is part of it.
So it shouldn’t be a surprise that there are more among priests than in the general population. But it’s not exclusive to Catholic priests. The problem also exists among the ultra-Orthodox Jews: Haredi or Hasidic rabbis (the weirdo guys in the black clothes). You don’t hear about it as much because that community is tiny, even among Jews in general.
The modus operandi is the same as among the Catholic priesthood. Abusers are often not reported, but instead are moved somewhere, sometimes to a position where children won’t be involved, but sometimes the abuse repeats elsewhere.
Secrecy, combined with religious authority are work conditions that are attractive to pedophiles.
The difference between Catholics priests and Haredi rabbis is only in absolute numbers: thousands compared to dozens. My guess is that the percentages are similar.
@Rrr: Good point. One of the (very important) things they teach you when learning to ride a motorcycle is to not (NOT!) look at that pothole or big stone ahead of you. If you do then you will surely hit it.
I’m seen it argued that the primary reason it seemed to be concentrated in the Catholic Church is that the church is a centralized organization that controls the movements of its clergy and keeps records. So when a priest runs into trouble in one parish and the hierarchy moves him somewhere else there is a record of what happened that can be tracked down even years later. But many Protestant sects don’t have much of a hierarchy, so a minister can skip from one city to the next to the next and it’s not that easy to reconstruct his movements. In addition, the guilt of the hierarchy was always more scandalous and damaging than the guilt of the individual, so the less of an organized hierarchy you have, the less scandal.
There is one other difference between Catholics priests compared to Protestants pastors and Jewish rabbis: priests may not marry. This difference has been given as a reason for difference in child abuse, but it think it’s irrelevant. A child abuser will have those urges regardless of whether they’re married.
So again, I think you’re right that the difference in organization made it easier in the past to prove Catholic clergy abuse. With internet search tools nowadays, it has probably evened out a lot. If the same allegations are made in different locations by unrelated people, then there’s a great likelihood of truth. Google searches can reveal allegations and movement.
Aye. The police have the virtually impossible task of trying to sift through the noise of the “chancer” false accusations. I worked for a company involved in RTA cases. When a bus or train is involved the number of passengers who try to claim they were on it used to far exceed the capacity of the vehicle. This was more prevalent in merseyside than any other part of England…
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I’m not a narcissist. Just because The Creator of the entire universe loves me, personally; talks to me every day and every night; and is going to take me to live with Him in His special place with gold streets and other wonders… that’s the kind of thing that floats My Creator’s boat.
Of course, if I don’t love Him back He’s gonna burn my ass forever and ever…
Perfect role model eh….says it all really.
You listed only six. What are the other four?
One must be telling porky pies about being spoken to thru angels…
Takes one to know one, Jesus.
I hate to prick Mo’s bubble, but wasn’t Joseph Smith God’s final final prophet? Not only that, he had to translate God’s word from “reformed Egyptian”; he must have considered himself to be a serious smartypants. He probably scored higher on the narcissism scale, too. I bet Smith hated it when Brigham Young became the final final final prophet.
I just checked a few psychology sites where they state that there are 9 symptoms of narcissism in DSM-5: 1. grandiosity and self-importance; 2. fantasies of success, perfection, or power; 3. a strong conviction of being special and unique; 4. a need for admiration and praise; 5. entitlement; 6. a pattern of exploiting others for personal gain; 7. low empathy; 8. envy, jealousy, and distrust; 9. arrogance, haughtiness, and scorn.
Apparently, Donald Trump gets a clean 9/9.
Add in the Dunning–Kruger effect and he gets a perfect 10.
For some reason this springs to mind:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq6hLda3zPk
Dunning-Kruger is a prerequisite for politicians? No?
Len, I hate country and western, but that really was the worse I have ever witnessed. People PAY to watch that?
Quine Duhem: Is failure to recognise/appreciate irony not another symptom?
It’s better to look good than to be good and Mo looks MARVELOUS!
Len, that really hit the nail on the head. 😀
SOG. No such thing as Irony in Country and western, it’s fans would never recognise it. But it is a fact that if you play it backwards on your turntable, your wife comes home, your crops are suddenly abundant and your car starts to work again….
… and your hound dog comes back to life and your cancer goes into recession.
Son of Glenner, the ability to recognize irony wasn’t included in the DSM-5 as there is only one way to objectively measure it: the irony meter which can only be found right here.
Anyway, a visit to the doctor, he confirms that my urine sample showed that I had a serious E-coli infection of my bladder and prostate. He cheerfully informs me that without the latest anti-biotics I was prescibed, I was almost certainly dead…I told my wife I was ill…hahaha
M27, I mostly dislike country music too.
However, there is an exception. His name is Lyle Lovett.
In this early song of his he mock-seriously suggests a 10-year-old’s dream of riding a pony on a boat.
https://youtu.be/4evzpIVnMVs
Why do wives always accuse their men of man-flu syndrome? My mrs thought it was me trying to get out of pre xmas decorating…
M27, last week you suggested the religious fookwits go away somewhere like Antarctica. I recall a J&M sometime back where Jesus and Mo actually took that suggestion. They didn’t stay because the penguins were gay. btw, how ironic that you accede to doing the xmas decs. Just don’t go into any kind of church; it would surely tumble down on you.
Xmas decs? No pre-xmas diy decorating. My mrs gets bored with room decor every year. I have spent more money on changing rooms and soft furnishings than the GDP of a small african nation…
I’m a saturnalia kind of geezer. Burning things, stuffing my face with food, quaffing ale, having as much sex as the mrs allows…celebrating the return of the star sol. Dec 21st…the mrs celebrates the xtian festival, which by coincidence is around the same time so we are in sync….
Quine, all those symptoms of narcissism are apparent in the orange menace that I like to call Mierda Lardo. Thanks for posting that.
Allow me to add two things that aren’t symptoms of narcissism but also explain a lot:
1. A feeling of inferiority that comes from being slightly above average but associating with people who are far above average and who show no respect.
2. A sense of victimhood, with a concomitant desire for vengeance.
The American legal system is moving too slowly here for my taste.
Off topic… This made me laugh:
https://static.wixstatic.com/media/9e76f4_b1b4b8dea858466c910eb6202c31976a~mv2.jpg
From my longtime friend, Mary…
One of my brothers superglued one of the pedopriests into the confessional.
2 of My brothers were headstrong and let no priests bully them. The brother in between them was very nice and respectful to clergy so the other 2 protected him.
One brother got to the church before Saturday afternoon confessions. My dad had taught him how to use a cool 2 part epoxy. He applied it to the frame and edges of the priest’s door and the lock. Then he stood there sweetly holding the door open for the priest.
The priest made a snarky remark, “Well, Mr **** I see you are finally showing some respect for authority.”
“Yes, Father.” Knowing Greg, he probably made a slight bow, a flourish to his dirty deed.
Then he quietly and securely shut the door.
2 hours later…..
the windows to hear confessions were too small for the priest to escape.
In another episode, he blackmailed another pedopriest…. after getting evidence on audiocassette tape.
Is it mandatory to fiddle with kids if you are a catholic priest? Seems to be a lot of it about and the catholic women I have worked with who went to convent schools in the 60s and 70s all had tales of sexual abuse that proved that it was also mandatory for nuns as well…
Totally out of my depth here, but wouldn’t be surprised if some part of the explanation lies in that psychological quirk: If told DO NOT LOOK AT THAT THING — it is very, very hard not to. “Uh, what thing? Oh, that thing, I see.”
The people who like to diddle children are attracted to jobs in which the opportunity exists. That is, there are children to diddle, opportunity exists and secrecy is part of it.
So it shouldn’t be a surprise that there are more among priests than in the general population. But it’s not exclusive to Catholic priests. The problem also exists among the ultra-Orthodox Jews: Haredi or Hasidic rabbis (the weirdo guys in the black clothes). You don’t hear about it as much because that community is tiny, even among Jews in general.
https://www.newsweek.com/2016/03/11/child-abuse-allegations-hasidic-ultraorthodox-jewish-community-brooklyn-432688.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-62984847
The modus operandi is the same as among the Catholic priesthood. Abusers are often not reported, but instead are moved somewhere, sometimes to a position where children won’t be involved, but sometimes the abuse repeats elsewhere.
Secrecy, combined with religious authority are work conditions that are attractive to pedophiles.
The difference between Catholics priests and Haredi rabbis is only in absolute numbers: thousands compared to dozens. My guess is that the percentages are similar.
The eight billion human beings is an obvious proof of our sexual success…
@Rrr: Good point. One of the (very important) things they teach you when learning to ride a motorcycle is to not (NOT!) look at that pothole or big stone ahead of you. If you do then you will surely hit it.
Hmm – seventies have lost my avatar for that last note. Weird.
… seem to have …
Bloody auto-incorrect!
Len, autocorrupt is your new pothole.
(Hope that wasn’t auto- oops)
“But it’s not exclusive to Catholic priests.”
I’m seen it argued that the primary reason it seemed to be concentrated in the Catholic Church is that the church is a centralized organization that controls the movements of its clergy and keeps records. So when a priest runs into trouble in one parish and the hierarchy moves him somewhere else there is a record of what happened that can be tracked down even years later. But many Protestant sects don’t have much of a hierarchy, so a minister can skip from one city to the next to the next and it’s not that easy to reconstruct his movements. In addition, the guilt of the hierarchy was always more scandalous and damaging than the guilt of the individual, so the less of an organized hierarchy you have, the less scandal.
jb, you wrote “the less of an organized hierarchy you have, the less scandal”.
That’s probably true. The article on the link below agrees with that. It also gives a good breakdown of these crimes within Protestant churches.
https://www.qualitativecriminology.com/pub/osa148h6/release/2
There is one other difference between Catholics priests compared to Protestants pastors and Jewish rabbis: priests may not marry. This difference has been given as a reason for difference in child abuse, but it think it’s irrelevant. A child abuser will have those urges regardless of whether they’re married.
So again, I think you’re right that the difference in organization made it easier in the past to prove Catholic clergy abuse. With internet search tools nowadays, it has probably evened out a lot. If the same allegations are made in different locations by unrelated people, then there’s a great likelihood of truth. Google searches can reveal allegations and movement.
Aye. The police have the virtually impossible task of trying to sift through the noise of the “chancer” false accusations. I worked for a company involved in RTA cases. When a bus or train is involved the number of passengers who try to claim they were on it used to far exceed the capacity of the vehicle. This was more prevalent in merseyside than any other part of England…