in regards to Aisha, apologists respond was always to point out that during Mo’s time it is common to marry underage girls. However they missed the point being that if god is eternal and absolute then how could god allowed his most revered messenger to practice a tradition which he perfectly knew that humans, a thousand years later, would deemed as immoral? Or perhaps that we humans outpaced god in the moral department and deemed his past practices as immoral? In this case then who is more intellectually divine? God or Us?
Bukhari is hadith and not Qu’ran. Somehow I get the feeling you make these just by googling other anti-religion websites: tiny mistakes like this just add up too much.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m as atheist as the next guy, but the kind of hatred and lack of research I see on sites like this reminds me of crazy fundies going at it with each other honestly. Don`t be the Jack Chick of the nonreligious.
Cripes Caio, everyone knows its froma hadirth, it even says so. Less time spent picking apart trivia and more time questioning the fantastical please, if your an atheist.
You’re not doubting Caio’s carefully worded, almost-assertion that he’s an atheist are you SPM? How mistrustful to question the statement of someone so clearly honest and upstanding.
Thanks for highlighting this ‘mistake’ Caio. Perhaps you could rewrite the above strip to remove the appaling ‘hatred’ and ‘crazy fundamentalism’ you’ve cleverly identified in it?
It always helps to invent a religion in an age of mass communications.
You could add the jehovahs witlesses to your list.
A rational person would argue that “you couldn’t make it up”. The problem is that this is exactly what they do.
Mind you, even their made up stuff is rubbish. The repeated Armageddon dates are proof positive of this.
My mother in law is a witless and was actually quite depressed that the world didn’t end in 1975 ( I was depressed that she didn’t). Armageddon is on hold for as long as it took Adam to count up the animals in the Garden of Eden.
Jerry – witlesses don’t even have jesusite/catlick friends as they regard them as dangerous apostates. Even religionists of profound goodness and spirituality are condemed to fester in hell while the witlesses enjoy their zombie resurrection on earth.
As with all religionists the witlesses are literal interpreters of their holy book only when it suits them.
So, a little girl is smarter than this “holy” prophet Mohammed (peace be upon his pedophile cock). What does that tell about the muslims, who consider him the perfect and infallible man of all times?
Oh, by the way: This great guy said with his own words, that Allah had given him the sexual potency of forty men (Al- Tabaqt/Ibn Sad/ Vol1/pg 439), but still, in spite of his 12 wives and numerous intercouses throughout his life, this “powerful” man was unable to produce a single living son and successor (important to muslim men, now and then). He had 3 daughters, the only son died as an infant and was FURTHERON born by an infidel (yikes!!) christian slave girl Mary the Copt, not even a muslima.
What a great man π perhaps he couldn’t get a son because he prefered his wives when they were to young to have children anyway?
Don’t recall the exact New Testament verse, but isn’t there an incident where Jesus tells his entourage to go steal someone’s horse?
As a poet, I find parts of the Bible (KJ version) inspirational. But even when I was a Christian, I regarded it as a very human document, at best “inspired” by god. Now that I’m an atheist, it’s clear it was inspired by historical / political expediency.
I can only empathise, John. My wife’s family are on the evangelical wing of Anglicanism, which means their lives consist of long stretches of decency and intelligence interspersed with concentrated convulsions of epic lunacy. I’m sure there’s a psychiatric term for it.
I know this will sound funny at first, but youtube is a remarkable resource for information. Users who I would suggest are: dprjones, Thunderf00t, NonStampCollector, AronRa just to get you started. Very intelligent gents. Science and religion are staples of their video subjects.
Yeh Youtube is awesome, I agree. I paricularly like Mr Foot’s “Why Do People Laugh at Creationists” series.
I was thinking more about the interactive aspect of a forum. While comments can be made on youtube, it’s not really conducive to a decent discussion that’s easy to come back to later.
Appreciate the response, though. I’d be thankful for anything else along the line described above. π
Jerry- that’s a fair cop. Mostly they complain that I’m too rational and not spiritual, i.e. loose brained, enough. Fortunately, I am composed of carbon strings and am therefore organic.
The mention of the JWs reminded me of the ones who called just before a general election and started to talk politics. I said if they represented a political party to leave us one of their leaflets and I would promise to read it and give them due consideration. At this point they admitted who they were and I sent them on their way. Two hours later I came up with a better response: “Oh you’re the abolish Christmas and let people die of preventable diseases party, good luck getting people to vote for you.”
Another time I had pension and life insurance stuff to sort out and we were expecting a call from the insurance guy so when a bloke in a suit with a briefcase appeared at the door, my response of a smile and “Hello there come in” took him completely off guard. Fortunately we were able to establish fairly quickly that he was selling end of the world religion as opposed to life insurance and send him on his way too.
Most rationalist’ fora get swamped by believers trying to argue their gods into existance, so often it’s not worth the bother. I’d pick up some of Richard Dawkins’ books (I recall ‘Climbing Mount Improbable’ as giving a really good basis of how evolution works). I joined the Facebook Dawkins fab pages, but I’ve stopped commenting on the forum, because of persistent, repetitive believers coming up with the same refutable & refuted nonsense time and time again.
Just as you apparently need no reasons to believe, you also need no reasons not to believe. It’s just that observed reality tends to have an atheist bias π
Off-topic – not that it’s unusual – but you might like to check out Violet Blue’s latest podcast and a rather, umm, novel approach to dealing with visiting evangalists.
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I am Aisha.
in regards to Aisha, apologists respond was always to point out that during Mo’s time it is common to marry underage girls. However they missed the point being that if god is eternal and absolute then how could god allowed his most revered messenger to practice a tradition which he perfectly knew that humans, a thousand years later, would deemed as immoral? Or perhaps that we humans outpaced god in the moral department and deemed his past practices as immoral? In this case then who is more intellectually divine? God or Us?
Bukhari is hadith and not Qu’ran. Somehow I get the feeling you make these just by googling other anti-religion websites: tiny mistakes like this just add up too much.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m as atheist as the next guy, but the kind of hatred and lack of research I see on sites like this reminds me of crazy fundies going at it with each other honestly. Don`t be the Jack Chick of the nonreligious.
Cripes Caio, everyone knows its froma hadirth, it even says so. Less time spent picking apart trivia and more time questioning the fantastical please, if your an atheist.
You’re not doubting Caio’s carefully worded, almost-assertion that he’s an atheist are you SPM? How mistrustful to question the statement of someone so clearly honest and upstanding.
Thanks for highlighting this ‘mistake’ Caio. Perhaps you could rewrite the above strip to remove the appaling ‘hatred’ and ‘crazy fundamentalism’ you’ve cleverly identified in it?
Ta.
“God wants you to shut up now.” Funny; as an atheist, I hear that all the time from my Xian friends.
Imagine what some of “Jesus”‘s prophecies and visions must have been…
It always sucks to have a prophet that is more completely documented — just ask the Mormons and the Scientologists (Oy Vey!)
Have Smith or Hubbard ever dropped by Jesus & Mo’s for a beer?
Bodach:
If you check carefully, you’ll find that for the most part Xian’s don’t have Atheist friends, only people that they tolerate the existence of.
You know, like how they turn the other cheek and all that stuff.
Joe
It always helps to invent a religion in an age of mass communications.
You could add the jehovahs witlesses to your list.
A rational person would argue that “you couldn’t make it up”. The problem is that this is exactly what they do.
Mind you, even their made up stuff is rubbish. The repeated Armageddon dates are proof positive of this.
My mother in law is a witless and was actually quite depressed that the world didn’t end in 1975 ( I was depressed that she didn’t). Armageddon is on hold for as long as it took Adam to count up the animals in the Garden of Eden.
Jerry – witlesses don’t even have jesusite/catlick friends as they regard them as dangerous apostates. Even religionists of profound goodness and spirituality are condemed to fester in hell while the witlesses enjoy their zombie resurrection on earth.
As with all religionists the witlesses are literal interpreters of their holy book only when it suits them.
And of course I forgot to add that the witlesses would have got on well with Mo as they are very protective of kiddie fiddlers in their midst.
(Not too sure which part of the bible endorses kiddie fiddling but I guess it must be in there somewhere).
So, a little girl is smarter than this “holy” prophet Mohammed (peace be upon his pedophile cock). What does that tell about the muslims, who consider him the perfect and infallible man of all times?
Oh, by the way: This great guy said with his own words, that Allah had given him the sexual potency of forty men (Al- Tabaqt/Ibn Sad/ Vol1/pg 439), but still, in spite of his 12 wives and numerous intercouses throughout his life, this “powerful” man was unable to produce a single living son and successor (important to muslim men, now and then). He had 3 daughters, the only son died as an infant and was FURTHERON born by an infidel (yikes!!) christian slave girl Mary the Copt, not even a muslima.
What a great man π perhaps he couldn’t get a son because he prefered his wives when they were to young to have children anyway?
joe,
Don’t recall the exact New Testament verse, but isn’t there an incident where Jesus tells his entourage to go steal someone’s horse?
As a poet, I find parts of the Bible (KJ version) inspirational. But even when I was a Christian, I regarded it as a very human document, at best “inspired” by god. Now that I’m an atheist, it’s clear it was inspired by historical / political expediency.
hadith or Quβran, this comic is clearly a side splitter! Among the best! LOL!
Test.
(Thanks H)
Yes, we now have threaded comments.
I can only empathise, John. My wife’s family are on the evangelical wing of Anglicanism, which means their lives consist of long stretches of decency and intelligence interspersed with concentrated convulsions of epic lunacy. I’m sure there’s a psychiatric term for it.
excellent
Completely off topic, but I thought this would be a good place to start.
Can you guys suggest some good “thinking layman”s forums on topics such as religion or the natural world/universe?
By “thinking layman” I mean that I’m an intelligent person who likes to learn, but don’t have any relevant tiertiary qualifications.
Cheers π
Ahh, the comments section evolves. Thanks Author. π
I know this will sound funny at first, but youtube is a remarkable resource for information. Users who I would suggest are: dprjones, Thunderf00t, NonStampCollector, AronRa just to get you started. Very intelligent gents. Science and religion are staples of their video subjects.
http://www.patcondell.net/ is a hilarious atheist site
Yeh Youtube is awesome, I agree. I paricularly like Mr Foot’s “Why Do People Laugh at Creationists” series.
I was thinking more about the interactive aspect of a forum. While comments can be made on youtube, it’s not really conducive to a decent discussion that’s easy to come back to later.
Appreciate the response, though. I’d be thankful for anything else along the line described above. π
lollz. i should say these guys do their research well! keep em coming broz.
Jerry- that’s a fair cop. Mostly they complain that I’m too rational and not spiritual, i.e. loose brained, enough. Fortunately, I am composed of carbon strings and am therefore organic.
John,
You could start with the “Suffer the little children” part,
and, um… work backwards?
Nonsense! The comments section was Intelligently Designed!
The mention of the JWs reminded me of the ones who called just before a general election and started to talk politics. I said if they represented a political party to leave us one of their leaflets and I would promise to read it and give them due consideration. At this point they admitted who they were and I sent them on their way. Two hours later I came up with a better response: “Oh you’re the abolish Christmas and let people die of preventable diseases party, good luck getting people to vote for you.”
Another time I had pension and life insurance stuff to sort out and we were expecting a call from the insurance guy so when a bloke in a suit with a briefcase appeared at the door, my response of a smile and “Hello there come in” took him completely off guard. Fortunately we were able to establish fairly quickly that he was selling end of the world religion as opposed to life insurance and send him on his way too.
Errh, bipolar disorder ?
Most rationalist’ fora get swamped by believers trying to argue their gods into existance, so often it’s not worth the bother. I’d pick up some of Richard Dawkins’ books (I recall ‘Climbing Mount Improbable’ as giving a really good basis of how evolution works). I joined the Facebook Dawkins fab pages, but I’ve stopped commenting on the forum, because of persistent, repetitive believers coming up with the same refutable & refuted nonsense time and time again.
Just as you apparently need no reasons to believe, you also need no reasons not to believe. It’s just that observed reality tends to have an atheist bias π
That’s “existence” & “fan pages”.
I will pray for an ‘edit’ function to the Almighty Web Developer of this intelligently designed forum (I.D. forum? teh lolz).
DonR, try Stephen Law’s philosophy blog and PZ Myers ‘Pharyngula’ blog. Both are intellegent, interesting and entertaining.
Off-topic – not that it’s unusual – but you might like to check out Violet Blue’s latest podcast and a rather, umm, novel approach to dealing with visiting evangalists.
Warning – contains Sexual content.
Thanks, I will. π
Awesome! π Thanks! Makes commenting and reading comments much easier and useful!
Thought Jesus was wearing lingerie in the second panel for a moment.
@ Mohammad: BAZINGA!
But why’s Mo strumming away in bed?
A of S: It’s a Islam thing