Jesus, come on and do a little more work on this problem! Psalm 139:16 mentions the word ‘golem’ (i.e. an embryo/embryonic) as an unfinished human being and Talmudic scripture states that (made-from-mud) anthropogenic golems (like Adam, for example) are not fully human until God adds the magic ingredient (presumably, a soul). So there you have it: scientists = evil. Or not: depending on the mud part, or the soul part, or the tenuous linkage part.
The point is well taken that scripture written hundreds/thousands of years ago did not anticipate advances in technology. But the cartoon shows Jesus not knowing the answer when he is supposed to be God himself. The cartoon had an opportunity for him to express an opinion on the issue rather that pointing out the shortfalls of ancient writings.
So even if our personalities cannot be immortal, our genomes can? I wonder what sort of personality-monsters we’d rear if we could serve as our own parents?
Oh, but hey, didn’t Jesus/god serve as its own parent (kinda)? THAT sort of a personality-monster, then.
I looked at the Catholic News Agency page above. One of the ads was for “Ave Maria mutual funds”. That was pretty funny, just on it’s own.
I read that page: https://avemariafunds.com/lp/2023-EWTNd.html
Even funnier is that down at the bottom it had this:
“Schwartz Investment Counsel, Inc., a registered investment adviser established in 1980, serves as investment adviser for Ave Maria Mutual Funds.”
Seriously. Laripu, you should ignore such articles, tis bad for your mental health. They should ban religious nuts having any say or opinion on any serious science. Leave it to the sane adults..they should be kindly told, before being shown the correct way to hold the spoon…
M27, I read many things without believing them or agreeing. I subscribe to the adage “know your enemy”. I’m not the least worried about my mental health.
I looked further into that “Schwartz Investment Counsel, Inc”, thinking it was funny that the Catholics had a Jewish investment firm. It turns out however that the founder, George P. Schwartz, is a lifelong Catholic. So not that funny after all.
But what is funny is that Catholics are offering an investment vehicle when the writings are all about lauding the poor and condemning the rich.
Lets face it, we saw through the facile witterings of religious know-nowts by the time we entered secondary education. They have nothing new to peddle, they are dinosaurs and it’s about time they were as extinct…
No doubt, if you go back far enough you can find the common ancestor for any extant or extinct phenotype…when I used the word “dinosaur” I meant T-Rex and it’s cretaceous ilk….shortly before that large rock smashed into planet earth…
Anyway.surely we can’t be that far from being able to use modern DNA to reverse engineer , and thus reverse the dna extrapolation backwards to give us the phenotypes of long extinct creatures…
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Jesus, come on and do a little more work on this problem! Psalm 139:16 mentions the word ‘golem’ (i.e. an embryo/embryonic) as an unfinished human being and Talmudic scripture states that (made-from-mud) anthropogenic golems (like Adam, for example) are not fully human until God adds the magic ingredient (presumably, a soul). So there you have it: scientists = evil. Or not: depending on the mud part, or the soul part, or the tenuous linkage part.
Aha, Quine, now I finally get it:
Tall-mud, the book of a high pile of dirt …
The point is well taken that scripture written hundreds/thousands of years ago did not anticipate advances in technology. But the cartoon shows Jesus not knowing the answer when he is supposed to be God himself. The cartoon had an opportunity for him to express an opinion on the issue rather that pointing out the shortfalls of ancient writings.
So even if our personalities cannot be immortal, our genomes can? I wonder what sort of personality-monsters we’d rear if we could serve as our own parents?
Oh, but hey, didn’t Jesus/god serve as its own parent (kinda)? THAT sort of a personality-monster, then.
Catholic media is grappling with it.
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/254608/first-reported-synthetic-human-embryo-sparks-ethical-concerns-creates-questions
I looked at the Catholic News Agency page above. One of the ads was for “Ave Maria mutual funds”. That was pretty funny, just on it’s own.
I read that page: https://avemariafunds.com/lp/2023-EWTNd.html
Even funnier is that down at the bottom it had this:
“Schwartz Investment Counsel, Inc., a registered investment adviser established in 1980, serves as investment adviser for Ave Maria Mutual Funds.”
Seriously. Laripu, you should ignore such articles, tis bad for your mental health. They should ban religious nuts having any say or opinion on any serious science. Leave it to the sane adults..they should be kindly told, before being shown the correct way to hold the spoon…
M27, I read many things without believing them or agreeing. I subscribe to the adage “know your enemy”. I’m not the least worried about my mental health.
I looked further into that “Schwartz Investment Counsel, Inc”, thinking it was funny that the Catholics had a Jewish investment firm. It turns out however that the founder, George P. Schwartz, is a lifelong Catholic. So not that funny after all.
But what is funny is that Catholics are offering an investment vehicle when the writings are all about lauding the poor and condemning the rich.
Lets face it, we saw through the facile witterings of religious know-nowts by the time we entered secondary education. They have nothing new to peddle, they are dinosaurs and it’s about time they were as extinct…
You may want to check your science there m27. Last I checked dinosaurs were alive and well and flying about all over the place. (https://www.birdlife.org/news/2021/12/21/its-official-birds-are-literally-dinosaurs-heres-how-we-know/) Reptiles, apparently are extinct, however. Go figure.
mcalex, your link makes this assertion: “For dinosaurs closest to birds – or, in fact, dinosaurs in general – we have so much evidence that suggests they were warm-blooded, short of actually sticking a thermometer in one.”
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/111041947040568449/visual-search/?x=10&y=10&w=544&h=544&imageSignature=57f72b6fbf80415fd1cd2ece4f0e3420
An instant later, both professor Waxman and his time machine are obliterated, leaving the cold-blooded/warm-blooded debate still unresolved.
No doubt, if you go back far enough you can find the common ancestor for any extant or extinct phenotype…when I used the word “dinosaur” I meant T-Rex and it’s cretaceous ilk….shortly before that large rock smashed into planet earth…
Anyway.surely we can’t be that far from being able to use modern DNA to reverse engineer , and thus reverse the dna extrapolation backwards to give us the phenotypes of long extinct creatures…
We sure can be that far from reverse engineering DNA.
They probably said that about putting a man on the moon in 1960…AI genomic sequencers are on the case…
First time poster, and I cannot get Gollum out of my mind, now.