So what? Aye excellent track by anti-nowhere league and covered by Metallica…very apt for religious whoppers…SO FUCKING WHAT….ok feel better now peeps…
I’m sorry to say, but no religious sensitive would let you get away with “And?” Their response would invariably be, “And I’m a special snowflake with a divine imaginary friend so you have to respect my beliefs…. or else….”
oh barmaid, or should I call you missy,
your pithy remarks are so prissy.
they’re acutely concise,
not to mention precise,
and leave jesus and mo in a tizzy.
I like to distinguish between: 1) people who have deeply held beliefs, but who recognize that other people also have deeply held beliefs, and that it’s at least possible that their own deeply held beliefs might turn out to be wrong; and 2) people who think that anyone who does not share their deeply held beliefs must be either stupid or wicked, or maybe both. It’s only the latter who are a problem.
“Deeply held beliefs” and “stupid” really refer to a different realm of ideas, than the subject of religion. We may say we “believe” things, when we’ve really arrived at these conclusions from real experience, however poorly interpreted, but religious faith is an entirely different matter. It is not “at least possible” for one of those faiths to turn out to correspond with objective reality, because they’re designed not to. If I tried to build a religion around observable facts about our sun, the awesome source of all life, it would be a dud, simply because it’s all true. Then I would be “stupid,” because my deeply held beliefs aren’t faith in nonsense.
Or is it your highland propensity to hate everybody south of hadrians wall? I envisage you outside a crofters hut, with a whet stone, sharpening your claymore….haha
M27Holts: In a platform for “profound philosophical discussion” like J&M, you should not stoop to logical fallacies like “No True Scotsman”, nor ridicule the sincerely held hygienic customs of millions of kilt-wearers.
Faith isn’t delusion. Delusion doesn’t allow for doubt. If faith was delusion, the people who had faith wouldn’t ever have doubt. And yet we know that people who claim to have faith often also have doubts about their faith.
Rather, what they call ‘faith’ is a collection of actions and utterances that must be trained, or coerced in the case of children. Behind all of that is the honest feeling that the stories aren’t true; and that healthy doubt that is a normal response to improbable stories.
Faith isn’t delusion. It’s repetitively lying to yourself, until you get so good at it that it becomes automatic.
A very few people who are religious believers do have delusions, but normal people recognize them as not being right in the head. It’s not uncommon for people to talk to a god in prayer, but if they hear a god talking to them we start to worry.
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Heh, “so?” was my first thought. “And” is better though – more passive-aggressive.
I thought about “so?” – it’s less passive-aggressive, but it is pithier.
Prithee, why so pithy, Barmaid?
exactly. “And?” Sorry, these religions deserve to be revealed, ridiculed and reviled.
I’m going to have to remember that:
“And?” is such a polite way of saying, “So, what?”
So what? Aye excellent track by anti-nowhere league and covered by Metallica…very apt for religious whoppers…SO FUCKING WHAT….ok feel better now peeps…
personally, I give Abrahamic fuckwittery all the respect it and its deluded followers deserve
I’m sorry to say, but no religious sensitive would let you get away with “And?” Their response would invariably be, “And I’m a special snowflake with a divine imaginary friend so you have to respect my beliefs…. or else….”
oh barmaid, or should I call you missy,
your pithy remarks are so prissy.
they’re acutely concise,
not to mention precise,
and leave jesus and mo in a tizzy.
Properly laugh out loud!
Perhaps we could have guest bar keepers…..a quick hitch-slap would have j and m running up that hill…..
For real passive-aggressive, throw in a ‘Yes, ‘ (in a tone of sincerest consideration) before the ‘and’.
I like to distinguish between: 1) people who have deeply held beliefs, but who recognize that other people also have deeply held beliefs, and that it’s at least possible that their own deeply held beliefs might turn out to be wrong; and 2) people who think that anyone who does not share their deeply held beliefs must be either stupid or wicked, or maybe both. It’s only the latter who are a problem.
Any faith is a sign of mental instabillity…And….
“Deeply held beliefs” and “stupid” really refer to a different realm of ideas, than the subject of religion. We may say we “believe” things, when we’ve really arrived at these conclusions from real experience, however poorly interpreted, but religious faith is an entirely different matter. It is not “at least possible” for one of those faiths to turn out to correspond with objective reality, because they’re designed not to. If I tried to build a religion around observable facts about our sun, the awesome source of all life, it would be a dud, simply because it’s all true. Then I would be “stupid,” because my deeply held beliefs aren’t faith in nonsense.
Ah Donn, Apollo will send you to Hades for that… better ask Zeus to protect you.
Big Cow – close…little cow – far away…
Thanks to you M27Holts, I now know where that joke comes from.
Feck! Drink!
Laripu: “Thanks to you …”
Don’t hold it against M27Holts – I’m sure he must have some redeeming qualities!
Oy Glenner, no redemption for me…capische?
Or is it your highland propensity to hate everybody south of hadrians wall? I envisage you outside a crofters hut, with a whet stone, sharpening your claymore….haha
M27Holts: You forgot to mention the porridge pot, the illicit whisky still, and the haggis trap.
Aye. Plus the kilt with no undercrackers on…
M27Holts: In a platform for “profound philosophical discussion” like J&M, you should not stoop to logical fallacies like “No True Scotsman”, nor ridicule the sincerely held hygienic customs of millions of kilt-wearers.
Aye. It always pays to be profound if you are going commando and could get a splinter in your ball sack at any minute…
M27 – “That would be a ecumenical question.”
Aye precisely. And when appraising an ecumenical answer . Parse the statement and replace “Faith” with “Delusion” hey presto…Paradigm Shift…
I’ve been wondering why this one today seemed familiar. And then I remembered…
https://www.jesusandmo.net/comic/sssh/
Faith isn’t delusion. Delusion doesn’t allow for doubt. If faith was delusion, the people who had faith wouldn’t ever have doubt. And yet we know that people who claim to have faith often also have doubts about their faith.
Rather, what they call ‘faith’ is a collection of actions and utterances that must be trained, or coerced in the case of children. Behind all of that is the honest feeling that the stories aren’t true; and that healthy doubt that is a normal response to improbable stories.
Faith isn’t delusion. It’s repetitively lying to yourself, until you get so good at it that it becomes automatic.
A very few people who are religious believers do have delusions, but normal people recognize them as not being right in the head. It’s not uncommon for people to talk to a god in prayer, but if they hear a god talking to them we start to worry.
Just to be clear, here’s what I mean. For people who aren’t crazy, faith is intellectual dishonesty. It’s a moral failure.
I get the feeling that J&M were a bit “pith-ed” at the barmaid!