Sorta makes Dave Allen’s signature sign-off – “and may your god go with you” – more of a curse than a friendly sentiment. “Hidden agressions” or what?!
And keep in mind what you are going to spend eternity doing:
When we’ve been there ten thousand years,
Bright shining as the sun,
We’ve no less days to sing God’s praise,
Than when we first begun.
God’s quite a needy fellow, isn’t he? “Praise me! Praise me some more! Ooh, yeah, that’s it, like that! MOAR PRAISE!!!” Better start warming up those vocal cords…
Slightly off piste…but I see that Archeological science has proved that the Romans took 3 weeks to take the Jewish stronghold of Masada…bit shorter than the 3 years that the historians of the day reported…thus who still thinks that Jesus existed? Without Archelogical proof he is as real as Harry Potter just the figment of some 4th century know-nowts…
M27Holts: Christopher Hitchens has an interesting YouTube video explaining why he believes the Jesus figure was modeled on an actual person based on the badly concocted nativity story that he believes was a post mortem attempt to turn a Nazarene rabbi into the Jewish messiah.
A plausible Hypothesis, but cannot be proven as the evidence is purely anecdotal. Without Scientifically proven Archeological evidence I am as sceptical as any other Jesus was an extant..x…
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To my mind, whether or not Jesus existed is beside the point. If there once were a man named Jesus who is the source of the Jesus stories, then he he didn’t walk on water, or cast out demons, or raise people from the dead, or die and come back to life three days later… Because real people don’t do that. Simple as that. And the idea that he could do that because he was the “Son of God” is simply gibberish.
“Jesus” is either a wholly fictional or wholly fictionalised character. What difference does it really make?
I tend to agree with Christopher Hitchens and Bart D. Ehrman, and for the same sort of reasons. The stories are just too messy, with obvious layers of accretion as each successive author tries to make the Jesus story fit his narrative. The simplest explanation is that a real person has become increasingly fictionalised.
I reckon there once was a man named Jesus, probably an itinerant rabbi preaching an end-of-days message, who briefly was seen as a possible Jewish Messiah, ran foul of the Roman authorities, and was executed for his troubles. A cult sprang up about him, with the usual tropes of his being born of a virgin, having healing powers, and dying and coming back to life – because that’s what truly holy men are like! Later in the cult’s evolution, Jesus went to being literally the “Son of God”.
One or more men, one or more of them named Jesus. But it does appear that there really was a Pontius Pilate and he really did have one Jesus the Christ executed. Tacitus mentions it, in a passage mostly aimed at Nero for kind of overdoing it with the persecutions.
The eternity thing must be kind of a head scratcher for the theologians who make this stuff up. People typically don’t want to die right away, and they seem to have a predilection to deceive themselves about having a soul, but is anyone looking forward to eternity? That seems unlikely, but … hard to come up with an alternative that has the right touch. God being simultaneous imaginary and beyond human conception, I guess you can imagine whatever you want about how he/she/it is going to impact your eternity tour.
I was dead for 14 or so billion years before the subroutines in my developing brain bootstrapped my ego into existance in my mothers womb…And in about 30 ish years (hopefully) my brain will die and my existance extinguished…….simple really…
Here you can find an extended argumentation about the existence of some rabbi turned later into a legendary Jesus. Really interesting reading for those with curiosity about gnosticism and early christianism: https://www.mythicistpapers.com/
It always grates with me, when people are talking about dead people. Nearly all insist that X is watching them as they speak. Do they realise just how stupid such sentiments are? Where could they possibly be as an ethereal observer, what are they using to collect the photons reflected from the current scene?
That’ll get you nowhere. When you start believing preposterous things on faith, that opens the door to believing anything. When you’re dead, you won’t need the physical apparatus to see, you’ll just be aware of whatever goes on, if that’s what you believe. That part comes along pretty quick, because people are so susceptible to believing in some persistent soul essence, and you have to give that soul essence something to do with itself when you’re dead, hence afterlife. Not everyone does it – I think Buddhists just persist in a more elemental state until reincarnated or becoming one with the whateverness.
Don Cave, half the American voters inhabit that “whatever” zone. They will be woke soon and realize there are four years of this not-so-gedanken damn experiment. tRump as savior. Bollocks galore.
They know. I mean, they may pretend to themselves that it all made sense – economy was better, anointed by God, whatever the superficial thought process – but they can see what we can see, and there isn’t shock or worry. The United States of America, as a thing that mattered, is fucked. They, individually, do not care.
You lot should never have chucked good tea in the sea…I think Europe did quite well, most of our religious nuts emigrated to avoid persecution for being knobs…
M27, we have a written constitution with a wall between church and state, unlike the UK which has an official church with the morals of Henry the Eighth, not that it matters so much now that the lunatics have overtaken the asylum. Good Lord, what madness rules in brainsick men, when for so slight and frivolous a cause
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Imagine spending eternity with folks who don’t know what to do on a wet Sunday afternoon . . . .
These two master debaters will have a good chance to convince Him?
Sorta makes Dave Allen’s signature sign-off – “and may your god go with you” – more of a curse than a friendly sentiment. “Hidden agressions” or what?!
@Tebirkes: Neat! I never thought of it that way. “Go away and please take your deity with you” is kinda how I feel about every religion.
And keep in mind what you are going to spend eternity doing:
When we’ve been there ten thousand years,
Bright shining as the sun,
We’ve no less days to sing God’s praise,
Than when we first begun.
God’s quite a needy fellow, isn’t he? “Praise me! Praise me some more! Ooh, yeah, that’s it, like that! MOAR PRAISE!!!” Better start warming up those vocal cords…
That too sounds like Hell. A worse one.
But cheer up. If you complain loud enough, then maybe you’ll get to be kicked out like Lucifer.
Slightly off piste…but I see that Archeological science has proved that the Romans took 3 weeks to take the Jewish stronghold of Masada…bit shorter than the 3 years that the historians of the day reported…thus who still thinks that Jesus existed? Without Archelogical proof he is as real as Harry Potter just the figment of some 4th century know-nowts…
M27Holts: Christopher Hitchens has an interesting YouTube video explaining why he believes the Jesus figure was modeled on an actual person based on the badly concocted nativity story that he believes was a post mortem attempt to turn a Nazarene rabbi into the Jewish messiah.
Link to Bvereshagen’s post. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMo5R5pLPBE
Postdoggerel: Thanks! I forgot to post the link.
A plausible Hypothesis, but cannot be proven as the evidence is purely anecdotal. Without Scientifically proven Archeological evidence I am as sceptical as any other Jesus was an extant..x…
I’m Brian and so is my wife…
@M27Holts
To my mind, whether or not Jesus existed is beside the point. If there once were a man named Jesus who is the source of the Jesus stories, then he he didn’t walk on water, or cast out demons, or raise people from the dead, or die and come back to life three days later… Because real people don’t do that. Simple as that. And the idea that he could do that because he was the “Son of God” is simply gibberish.
“Jesus” is either a wholly fictional or wholly fictionalised character. What difference does it really make?
I tend to agree with Christopher Hitchens and Bart D. Ehrman, and for the same sort of reasons. The stories are just too messy, with obvious layers of accretion as each successive author tries to make the Jesus story fit his narrative. The simplest explanation is that a real person has become increasingly fictionalised.
I reckon there once was a man named Jesus, probably an itinerant rabbi preaching an end-of-days message, who briefly was seen as a possible Jewish Messiah, ran foul of the Roman authorities, and was executed for his troubles. A cult sprang up about him, with the usual tropes of his being born of a virgin, having healing powers, and dying and coming back to life – because that’s what truly holy men are like! Later in the cult’s evolution, Jesus went to being literally the “Son of God”.
But it’s all hooey anyway.
One or more men, one or more of them named Jesus. But it does appear that there really was a Pontius Pilate and he really did have one Jesus the Christ executed. Tacitus mentions it, in a passage mostly aimed at Nero for kind of overdoing it with the persecutions.
The eternity thing must be kind of a head scratcher for the theologians who make this stuff up. People typically don’t want to die right away, and they seem to have a predilection to deceive themselves about having a soul, but is anyone looking forward to eternity? That seems unlikely, but … hard to come up with an alternative that has the right touch. God being simultaneous imaginary and beyond human conception, I guess you can imagine whatever you want about how he/she/it is going to impact your eternity tour.
I was dead for 14 or so billion years before the subroutines in my developing brain bootstrapped my ego into existance in my mothers womb…And in about 30 ish years (hopefully) my brain will die and my existance extinguished…….simple really…
M27, But you’re only saying that because it is true!
https://genius.com/Dick-gaughan-stand-up-for-judas-lyrics
Dick Gaughan – Stand Up For Judas
Here you can find an extended argumentation about the existence of some rabbi turned later into a legendary Jesus. Really interesting reading for those with curiosity about gnosticism and early christianism: https://www.mythicistpapers.com/
Aye…but it could all be bollocks…prove it with some hard science and I might be interested…
It always grates with me, when people are talking about dead people. Nearly all insist that X is watching them as they speak. Do they realise just how stupid such sentiments are? Where could they possibly be as an ethereal observer, what are they using to collect the photons reflected from the current scene?
and how do you run the biological algorithms without s biological C.P.U?
That’ll get you nowhere. When you start believing preposterous things on faith, that opens the door to believing anything. When you’re dead, you won’t need the physical apparatus to see, you’ll just be aware of whatever goes on, if that’s what you believe. That part comes along pretty quick, because people are so susceptible to believing in some persistent soul essence, and you have to give that soul essence something to do with itself when you’re dead, hence afterlife. Not everyone does it – I think Buddhists just persist in a more elemental state until reincarnated or becoming one with the whateverness.
Don Cave, half the American voters inhabit that “whatever” zone. They will be woke soon and realize there are four years of this not-so-gedanken damn experiment. tRump as savior. Bollocks galore.
They know. I mean, they may pretend to themselves that it all made sense – economy was better, anointed by God, whatever the superficial thought process – but they can see what we can see, and there isn’t shock or worry. The United States of America, as a thing that mattered, is fucked. They, individually, do not care.
You lot should never have chucked good tea in the sea…I think Europe did quite well, most of our religious nuts emigrated to avoid persecution for being knobs…
M27, we have a written constitution with a wall between church and state, unlike the UK which has an official church with the morals of Henry the Eighth, not that it matters so much now that the lunatics have overtaken the asylum. Good Lord, what madness rules in brainsick men, when for so slight and frivolous a cause
Such factious emulations shall arise!