Oh, sure, Islam is diverse, peaceful and just … AND warlike, regressive and sexist. Just zoom out a little and get the big picture, Mo. You’ll see it. We apostates have seen it for a while, though I wonder if you missed the forest for all those goddamned trees…
If I’m intolerant and violent on weekends, the fact that I’m tolerant and peaceful on weekdays isn’t going to count for much when they haul me into court.
“Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.” –Steven Weinberg
Islam, just like Christianity and other hardline religions, is nothing more than a charlatan’s dream as he petulantly vies for power over the masses.
Same fucking story, different level of insanity.
Brilliant yet again, Author. Don’t lump a collective into a monolithic mass? By this logic can one say anything about any group? Or any person, for that matter? Just to Godwin this: Apparently Hitler was a loving uncle. Is it fair to call him evil?
I read at least twice the remark of islam is the same as other religions. THAT is one of the big mistakes, and though other religions were violent (mostly if not all in the past), islam was, is en will always be violent towards women, modern day values, and infidels.
Never forget that
Of course Islam isn’t monolithic, in each tribe that was conquered- Islams wonderful theology was combined with the rich local culture. So we don’t have a single culture of lying murderous intolerance we have dozens of them and they all hate one another. So why hasn’t Islam eradicated itself or fallen under a single central dictatorship?
God only knows?
A paper that used to be onine, “World’s Most Toxic Value System”, by Steven Dutch, made a case for a societal focus that makes a very big thing out of male/family honor, with unpleasant and typically violent results. I don’t recall that he said much about religion specifically, but I can imagine. If you’ve been taught to accept some collection of absurdities on faith, and someone scoffs, the mullahs could build that up as cause for collective offense.
Any society that limits the opportunities if any group, whether by gender, or race, or what they like to do with their genitals … that society will lose a chunk of valuable talent.
Not even considering the human rights or the moral unfairness, societies that discriminate will pay a financial price.
This was even recognized in the Middle Ages. In between trashing, killing, and expelling Jews, various societies decided they needed them for the talents they brought, literacy, numeracy, and multilingualism. England, too, did this, in the mid 1600s, probably by Cromwell’s influence. An odd bit of tolerance, since he persecuted Catholics.
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Oh, sure, Islam is diverse, peaceful and just … AND warlike, regressive and sexist. Just zoom out a little and get the big picture, Mo. You’ll see it. We apostates have seen it for a while, though I wonder if you missed the forest for all those goddamned trees…
Are we allowed to just state the dictionary definition of the word?
Islam (n): Submission (to the will of god)
And reply “Thanks for the offer. No sale.”
I would have thought a better meaning for Islam….Incompatible with western secular democracy….
If I’m intolerant and violent on weekends, the fact that I’m tolerant and peaceful on weekdays isn’t going to count for much when they haul me into court.
How is Mo’s POV any different than that of so many Christian fundamentalist? It seems here that the Pot is calling the Kettle “Black’.
islam since its creation
is a lying abomination
On humanity, a parasite
It claims as its right
Steals and murders without hesitation.
Right on, jb.
Exactly on point. I hear this so often.
“Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.” –Steven Weinberg
Islam, just like Christianity and other hardline religions, is nothing more than a charlatan’s dream as he petulantly vies for power over the masses.
Same fucking story, different level of insanity.
Brilliant yet again, Author. Don’t lump a collective into a monolithic mass? By this logic can one say anything about any group? Or any person, for that matter? Just to Godwin this: Apparently Hitler was a loving uncle. Is it fair to call him evil?
DW: And, obviously, regulars here at the old C&B pub are highly rational, fair-minded, well-read, ignorant, pig-headed, bigots!
I am, of course, proudly all of these.
Aye, according to cockneys…The Kray twins were “Diamond Geezers” …. used to buy their mother flowers….
I read at least twice the remark of islam is the same as other religions. THAT is one of the big mistakes, and though other religions were violent (mostly if not all in the past), islam was, is en will always be violent towards women, modern day values, and infidels.
Never forget that
Of course Islam isn’t monolithic, in each tribe that was conquered- Islams wonderful theology was combined with the rich local culture. So we don’t have a single culture of lying murderous intolerance we have dozens of them and they all hate one another. So why hasn’t Islam eradicated itself or fallen under a single central dictatorship?
God only knows?
A paper that used to be onine, “World’s Most Toxic Value System”, by Steven Dutch, made a case for a societal focus that makes a very big thing out of male/family honor, with unpleasant and typically violent results. I don’t recall that he said much about religion specifically, but I can imagine. If you’ve been taught to accept some collection of absurdities on faith, and someone scoffs, the mullahs could build that up as cause for collective offense.
Donn, to generalize a bit from what you wrote:
Any society that limits the opportunities if any group, whether by gender, or race, or what they like to do with their genitals … that society will lose a chunk of valuable talent.
Not even considering the human rights or the moral unfairness, societies that discriminate will pay a financial price.
This was even recognized in the Middle Ages. In between trashing, killing, and expelling Jews, various societies decided they needed them for the talents they brought, literacy, numeracy, and multilingualism. England, too, did this, in the mid 1600s, probably by Cromwell’s influence. An odd bit of tolerance, since he persecuted Catholics.